Polar presentation of detailed results in Aspie-quiz

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18 Aug 2007, 9:01 am

The general idea is presented in this experimental image:

What do you think about this? Good idea? Bad idea?

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18 Aug 2007, 9:03 am

If you can reliably and accurately plot that without stretching your data too far, then go for it...

if it's not really psycologically reliable to plot on that thing then I would suggest not misrepresenting the validity of your quiz.

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18 Aug 2007, 9:10 am

Izaak wrote:

If you can reliably and accurately plot that without stretching your data too far, then go for it...

The data would be the 8 figures from the detailed report in the PDF. The 4 NT figures would be transformed with 10 - value to make them abilty-related instead of disability-related.

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if it's not really psycologically reliable to plot on that thing then I would suggest not misrepresenting the validity of your quiz.

The nice thing with this method would be that I can put up average plots for various neurodiversity-diagnosises based on past data. Even if the groupped reports have only been in the last stable versions (and sporadically in version 9), it is possible to calculate these figures for every quiz version (perhaps expect for the very first).

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18 Aug 2007, 9:26 am

I don't understand your diagram (NLD here). Could you explain it in words, please?

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18 Aug 2007, 10:16 am

I like the colors lol

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18 Aug 2007, 10:17 am

OK, I've changed the image to include (real) data from a recent PDF. (make sure you reload the page).

Real data:
Motor difficulty: 1.4 (translates to NT motor 8.6)
Perception difference: 7.6
Aspie talent: 9.0
Aspie disability: 6.0 (translates to NT talent 4.0)
Social difference: 7.4 (translates to NT social 2.6)
Aspie instinct: 7.5
Aspie communication: 7.3
Neurotypical communication difficulty: 7.3 (translates to NT communication 2.7).

As can be seen in the plot, this person is an Aspie (Aspie-score 148, NT score 61). He/she has high scores on motor performance and Aspie-talent, which happen to lie on opposite sides.

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18 Aug 2007, 10:24 am

To explain the it more with words. There are four basic dimensions: Intelligence (composed of Aspie talent and NT talent), Biology (composed of acute senses and NT motor), Aspie (composed of communication and instinct groups) and Neurotypical (composed of communication and social).

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18 Aug 2007, 10:30 am

I don't really get how/why you are dividing between Nuerotypical and ASD. What does a 0 score represent?
I don't get paired things like talent and communication. I don't get why while motor and perception is biology intelligence isn't.

I can’t say I understand. But it seems that some things you are viewing as only positive and other things only negative.

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18 Aug 2007, 10:36 am

I think you can do a 'swing board' type plot. Or you can do a plot that shows where you are in terms of ASD starting out from the centre being without ASD (theoretically). This appears to do both.

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18 Aug 2007, 10:50 am

0_equals_true wrote:

I don't really get how/why you are dividing between Nuerotypical and ASD. What does a 0 score represent?

The ASD - NT aspect is the primary in Aspie-quiz, with the communication, social and Aspie-instinct groups as having the highest intercorrelations. That's the fundamental aspect that is also reflected in Aspie and NT scores. These are also the main issues in DSMs ASD diagnoses, even if these basically only cover the NT-groups. IOW, it is pretty clear that the average ASD diagram would be a circle in the right part of the plot while the average NT diagram would be a circle in the left part of the plot.

A zero score represents absence of a trait (alternatively, if it's an NT trait, that you have problems with it).

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I don't get paired things like talent and communication.

That might be a mistake. It is possible that communication should be paired with motor / perception instead. OTOH, I don't know if it is better to pair talent with social & perception.

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I don't get why while motor and perception is biology intelligence isn't.

Brain-based vs non-brain based.

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18 Aug 2007, 11:07 am

Ah.. k. I thought you meant to invent a whole new set of conclusions for the purpose of your plot.

As one who understands a table better than a graph in most circumstances your effort is wasted on me. But I can see the validity of it for indicating in a look-see method somone's results. For the amount of points your plotting it looks abit too much though. Perhaps a bar graph for each point wiht a +/- bar depending on if you are above or below the "average" response maybe?

Of course, this is just how my brain processes information and not indicative of everyone.

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18 Aug 2007, 12:13 pm

Some sample plots from NTs, middle-ground and Aspies:

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18 Aug 2007, 12:23 pm

No offense intended, but this is so poorly explained as to be indecipherable, and this from a guy who's comfortable with science argot.

Maybe start again, and assume we can't read your mind.

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18 Aug 2007, 12:51 pm

UncleBeer wrote:

No offense intended, but this is so poorly explained as to be indecipherable, and this from a guy who's comfortable with science argot.

Maybe start again, and assume we can't read your mind.

OK. I think it is easier to understand using the samples I posted above. Plot 2,3 and 4 are clear NTs. Plot 5,6 and 7 are Aspies. Plot 1 is "middle of the ground". Thus 6 of the 7 plots can easily be assigned to either Aspie or NT. The important stuff is where the "centre of mass" of the polygone is located. If it is primarily located to the left the person would be NT. If it is primarily located to the right the person would be Aspie.

The scales are "simple". You get a score from 0 to 10 for each trait-group, which happens to be the very same groups that are already part of Aspie-quiz detailed results in the PDF that people get. To make the Aspie-NT dimension clearer the trait groups were groupped with 4 NT groups and 4 Aspie-groups. The NT-group scores are reversed (10 - score) because all scores currently are Aspie-oriented.

I already wrote (in another thread) how I arrived at this specific placement:

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I think I've fugured out the optimal placement of the components for Aspie-quiz now.

First, I would have the figure rotated so that the straight line would be horisontal at the top and bottom. I would then devide it into two sections: The Aspie/neurodiversity section (the right side) and the NT section (the left side). Strangely enough, current groups allows the division of the groups into 4 Aspie groups (Aspie talent, Aspie communication, Aspie instinct and perception) and 4 NT groups (NT talent, NT communication, NT social and motor). I'll place talent at the top (which would make this the IQ/ability dimension) and perception + motor at the bottom (which would make this the physical adaptation dimension). The two communication groups would be on opposite sides, with NT social and Aspie instinct adjacent to them.

The scores for the NT groups would be inverted (10 - score) to make these ability-related instead of disability related. I think most people will get close to a circile that would be biased in some direction, for instance to the NT side or the Aspie side, to the ability side or to the perception / motor talent side.

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18 Aug 2007, 12:58 pm

With your explanation, I think it's a very intriguing concept. Do you think that there's a way to make the image more understandable on first glance, without a detailed explanation?

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18 Aug 2007, 1:00 pm

it's an octogon with different colours

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