How Oblivious Are You?
Not really a serious thread but I wondered what sort of things and what sort of situations are you oblivious to? Probably connected to your autism.
Personally I am oblivious to why anyone is annoyed with me. I can't remember what I said and did longer than a few days ago, so if someone is annoyed with me, I generally don't notice unless they say clearly: 'I am annoyed with you because you said XYZ on (date).' But of course people rarely do that so I'm usually in a haze of confusion.
Also oblivious to people's new clothes, hairstyles, what they are eating and drinking but of course those don't arise online
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Who knows how much i'm oblivious to... I'm oblivious to it.
That said there have been multiple times when people have just exploded in anger at me - or so it seemed. Other people told me later that they could see I was annoying that person and I just wasn't picking up on it so to me it felt like just random anger.
When I was younger I never noticed when girls liked me. I just didn't get the signals even when they were quite obvious.
I don't think I notice generally when people like me. I tend to assume that they don't.
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When I was younger I never noticed when girls liked me. I just didn't get the signals even when they were quite obvious.
I don't think I notice generally when people like me. I tend to assume that they don't.
I think with me, I say or do something when I'm in a bad mood/hungry/tired/overwhelmed etc. and the person I said it to doesn't say anything at the time, they just dump me. So I'm always mystified about what I've done wrong.
Oh me too! I never noticed when boys liked me, even if they were super obvious. Looking back I can think of at least 3 who made it super obvious, but I was still oblivious. e.g. one wrote a really affectionate birthday card to me. I just thought at the time 'oh that's nice, what a nice bloke' but it was really obvious that he fancied me!
I'm not sure how I got married tbh. I think it was because my then boyfriend said to me 'I'm going to a party on Saturday. Would you like to come? I'll pick you up at 7pm on my motorbike.' So it dawned on me that this was A Date. It fitted the criteria of a date. He did all the conventional things which made me think 'oh this is a date. He wants to be my boyfriend.' And he did all the other conventional things including having the talk 'where is this relationship going?' And proposing to me by getting down on one knee. My brain realised what was happening.
These days too many people say 'wanna hang out on Saturday?' And that is too confusing- what does it mean? As friends? Romantically? With a group? As a couple?
I would have liked living in the past when there were clear and obvious rules about what to do if you fancied someone. In the 21st century, it is too complicated.
And as you say- I don't know whether people like me or not! I have no clue. There never have been any rules for what to do if you want to be friends with someone so now I never know if someone likes me or is just tolerating me.
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I'm often oblivious about when a stranger is actually trying to start a conversation with me, as opposed to asking a one-and-done question or just speaking to me out of politeness.
For example, years ago I frequently had breakfast at the same place. One employee would always ask what book I was reading if they took my order and I would always answer. It took months before it finally occurred to me to ask what she liked to read. Although her answer was "books that challenge my faith" so I kind of regretted asking.
I might have had waitresses flirt with me over the years, but I can't tell the difference between a waitress who is just very friendly and charismatic versus one who might actually be interested in me unless they actually slip me their phone number (which has never happened).
So much data flows into my brain from noticing things due to ASD plus iADHD that it can be hard to identify what data is important. I notice something that should be important, but I'm oblivious to the importance because it's a just another tree in the forest.
I'm oblivious to the world around me, like news and political events. I assume everyone wants individual freedoms and has a "live and let live" attitude, but I know that's not true. The reality of political discord really does my head in, and I hate hearing about conflict so I tune it all out. I haven't watched daily news or CNN since 9/11. I shut it off back then and made a conscious decision: no more radios in the house, no more listening to radio in the car, no more TV news or newspapers or headlines. That was pre-internet and I also fell under a trauma rock for the next decade for unrelated reasons, but I'm still happier without. I didn't even know about Covid until I read about it here. This is actually my only source of "news" even though I actively try to avoid the news thread itself.
Beyond that I'm oblivious to gender stuff. KitLily, you always seem to say things or point out what is socially "normal" for women even though you don't ascribe to it either, but at least you know about it. I don't. I mean, I know the big picture expectation of women according to the media but I don't know the finer subtext or specific manners / mannerisms that you've noticed or critiqued.
I don't notice when a person likes me, as others have said. I wouldn't have a clue. My partner literally asked me "Will you be my girl?", because I wouldn't know what was going on otherwise. I had told him I needed emotional things to be stated clearly. Even with bedroom stuff there was a lot of ... clarity and conversation in the beginning because otherwise, I didn't know what he wanted or how he felt just from reading body language or flirtation. He didn't want to come on too strong because of my trauma history, so he couldn't just initiate based on the normal signals.
I don't know when I'm being used or played by others, which is something that happened to me very recently. I take people at their word so if they are acting like a friend or inquiring about me I assume they're sincere. No matter how many years I spend in trauma therapy or how long I spend beating myself up about "getting it wrong", I get it wrong and get manipulated or deceived yet again.
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Yes, I remember when I went into a room at work and it all went silent I didn't know the reason. I just got on with my task and went out again. I stopped caring after a while. Let them have their silly little secrets. They always seemed to think I was plotting against them then eventually they figured out that I was just getting on with my work and their plots just deflated.
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For example, years ago I frequently had breakfast at the same place. One employee would always ask what book I was reading if they took my order and I would always answer. It took months before it finally occurred to me to ask what she liked to read. Although her answer was "books that challenge my faith" so I kind of regretted asking.
I might have had waitresses flirt with me over the years, but I can't tell the difference between a waitress who is just very friendly and charismatic versus one who might actually be interested in me unless they actually slip me their phone number (which has never happened).
So much data flows into my brain from noticing things due to ASD plus iADHD that it can be hard to identify what data is important. I notice something that should be important, but I'm oblivious to the importance because it's a just another tree in the forest.
Same here about the strangers. Although I normally don't want to talk to them so I prefer the one and done! haha.
Oh yes, often people who start a conversation want to inform us about Jesus, so I'm wary of those! I've had a few of those encounters e.g. a woman who ran a beauty business and did makeovers. She was keen on giving me pamphlets about Jesus!
Ah, beware of waiting staff and bar staff. They are 99% of the time just being friendly, believe me!
Your last paragraph, oh yes! I relate to that.
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Beyond that I'm oblivious to gender stuff. KitLily, you always seem to say things or point out what is socially "normal" for women even though you don't ascribe to it either, but at least you know about it. I don't. I mean, I know the big picture expectation of women according to the media but I don't know the finer subtext or specific manners / mannerisms that you've noticed or critiqued.
I don't notice when a person likes me, as others have said. I wouldn't have a clue. My partner literally asked me "Will you be my girl?"
I don't know when I'm being used or played by others, which is something that happened to me very recently. I take people at their word so if they are acting like a friend or inquiring about me I assume they're sincere.
I'm more or less the same as that. I try to keep away from news, I mostly used to read it on Twitter so I'm so much more relaxed and less stressed now I've left that site!
I'm really interested in how humans behave and wish I could take a Sociology degree or something. I see what they are doing and most of it seems bloody stupid to me. Why do people have to live in a hierarchy and behave in certain ways to be accepted? Why can't we all be treated equally?
I think that is my main problem- I treat everyone the same and don't think about hierarchies or understand them at all. This does not come across well in workplaces, as I found out a lot of times!
Yes my husband basically asked me the same thing, he made it crystal clear that he was asking me on a date etc. See above.
Same- I don't know if someone genuinely wants to be my friend or not, I'm sure I've missed out on friendships because I didn't notice their overtures. Usually if someone is nice to me I suspect they are using me or something, too.
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It depends.
If I'm coping with crap, tired and all that -- I might as well wake up forgetting everything for a moment, unable to multitask or know beyond the tunnel vision of whatever thought or emotion.
And if I'm not? I can read and know a lot of things more than others usually do, real big picture things, predicting things even.
Otherwise, I don't actively seek out updates of things. I don't actively read things out either. I hate the former -- it robs me of choices.
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You make an excellent point there! We see things that others don't. We point them out, only to get laughed at and ignored. Then one day, the thing comes true! We were right all along! But of course by then, the other people have forgotten we pointed it out, and think that they knew all along it was going to happen.
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Yes, I remember when I went into a room at work and it all went silent I didn't know the reason. I just got on with my task and went out again. I stopped caring after a while. Let them have their silly little secrets. They always seemed to think I was plotting against them then eventually they figured out that I was just getting on with my work and their plots just deflated.
Yeah, I know that feel of the room scenario.
What a lot of NT's don't realise is that autistic folk of all kinds often just want to get on with their work, as you point out.
I'm a bit of a space cadet, especially when I've been on the vodka so half the time I find myself contradicting myself and generally lookig like a prat.
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What a lot of NT's don't realise is that autistic folk of all kinds often just want to get on with their work, as you point out.
Yes it's the old familiar scenario again. NTs are there for socialising everywhere they go. We are there to get on with our work or whatever other objective we want to achieve.
I don't care about their gossip or imaginary feuds with me. I just do my own thing.
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Yes. This is always the pattern when I start a new job/ join a new group:
At first the people are welcoming to me. Then I somehow do or say something wrong and they start whispering in corners, baiting me, snapping at me. I have no idea why so I just get on with my work. Then the people who were whispering etc. seem to realise that I'm not playing their game and it all peters out. Some start being polite to me again. I am oblivious to what the problem was, I just know that 'something' was up with them.
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