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27 May 2021, 3:53 am

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27 May 2021, 5:48 am

Interesting. :D

Even though I'm not in UK, I do know who that is and that publication, even have a couple issues of it when it was carried in a bookstore in nearby city;

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A theme largely advocated by Cyril J Freezer, the late former editor of Railway Modeller, realism applies not only to making a model railway layout look more realistic through the addition of scenic detail and weathering, but also to train operation, track layout and setting.


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27 May 2021, 5:28 pm

I got as far as laying my own HO track, but then got into custom car models, and then slot cars. As an adult, I discovered a group of like-minded people working to improve bicycles and making impressive progress. I used to look at the big rack of various model maker's magazines, and anticipate a big section devoted to specialty parts and builder's news. With so much going on in the world, I am mystified by all the energy going into ignoring the future.



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28 May 2021, 1:06 pm

Trains and ASD. In the U.S. scale model trains is a low key hobby for a few on the AS, not so much for some in Japan. There is a ostracized group in Japan known as Otaku that emerged in the 1980s, among their personal interests is trains, riding trains, photographing trains, collecting railroad memorabilia, and of course collecting scale model trains, but of course there is a problem with Otaku and trains and that is the social stigma that is attached to the word Otaku. Otaku are considered to be socially inept, obsessed with their hobbies, disinterested in sexual relations, etc. It has come to the attention of a few psychologists (outside the U.S.) that Otaku have similar characteristics as found in ASD, imagine an entire subculture based on ASD, in the U.S. ASD is individualistic and not a socio-cultural based community.



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28 May 2021, 1:16 pm

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Trains and ASD. In the U.S. scale model trains is a low key hobby for a few on the AS, not so much for some in Japan. There is a ostracized group in Japan known as Otaku that emerged in the 1980s, among their personal interests is trains, riding trains, photographing trains, collecting railroad memorabilia, and of course collecting scale model trains, but of course there is a problem with Otaku and trains and that is the social stigma that is attached to the word Otaku. Otaku are considered to be socially inept, obsessed with their hobbies, disinterested in sexual relations, etc. It has come to the attention of a few psychologists (outside the U.S.) that Otaku have similar characteristics as found in ASD, imagine an entire subculture based on ASD, in the U.S. ASD is individualistic and not a socio-cultural based community.


Otaku basically means fixated or obsessed or geek. There's a number of hobbies in Japan where the term otaku is used to describe the most passionate or obsessive parts of the fandom, it isn't limited to model trains. The term has also passed into English via anime fandom to refer to obsessive anime/manga fans.


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28 May 2021, 1:59 pm

Of course, there is no disagreement on your post-90s definition of Otaku stripped of its negative connotations by Japan Inc for the sake of world wide consumption of Japanese media. I am talking old school definition of Otaku when it was a term of derision in Japanese society based on characteristics similar, if not identical to ASD of a culturally visible group of people with interests that included (in the 1980s) anime, science fiction, audio equipment, and of course trains. What you call "fandom" was originally termed by the Japanese as "nekura-zoku" ("the gloomy tribe") before the name "Otaku" was coined in the magazine Manga Burriko in 1983 to discribed ASD type behavior and characteristics that Japanese NT found "repulsive." Today (21st century) in countries outside Japan the original term "Otaku" has lost its sting and is merely a term for consumers of Japanese media, though many Japanese find it astonishing that Americans would refer to themselves as "Otaku."



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28 May 2021, 2:19 pm

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Of course, there is no disagreement on your post-90s definition of Otaku stripped of its negative connotations by Japan Inc for the sake of world wide consumption of Japanese media. I am talking old school definition of Otaku when it was a term of derision in Japanese society based on charcteristics similar, if not identical to ASD of a culturally visible group of people with interests that included (in the 1980s) anime, science fiction, audio equipment, and of course trains. What you call "fandom" was originally termed by the Japanese as "nekura-zoku" ("the gloomy tribe") before the name Otaku was coined in the magazine Manga Burriko in 1983 to discribed ASD type behavior and characteristics that Japanese NT found "repulsive." Today (21st century) in countries outside Japan the original term "Otaku" has lost its sting and is merely a term for consumers of Japanese media, even today many Japanese find it astonishing that Americans would refer to themselves as "Otaku."


Not disagreeing with any of that, my main point was that the term wasn't (and isn't) limited to describing people who are into trains.


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28 May 2021, 2:27 pm

MIT once had a huge model railway, built by generations of enthusiasts. Then they learned how to automate the operations using the earliest computers, and became computer nerds. They were a lot more fun when usage required programming.



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28 May 2021, 2:36 pm

What is the connection between ASD and trains? And for that matter, what is the connection between ASD and Otaku?



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28 May 2021, 3:19 pm

Dear_one wrote:
MIT once had a huge model railway, built by generations of enthusiasts.


As far as I can tell, their railroad is not in past tense, http://tmrc.mit.edu/


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28 May 2021, 3:35 pm

I do not know about Atauko as I am not from Japan, but from what I have read, model railways (Model railroads) is the most popular special interest of those who are on the spectrum, and I was also told that here in the UK being a bicycle mechanic is said to be one of the most popular jobs outside of computers for those with autism. Both of these I have or am involved in *Shrugs sholders* as I have not been assessed yet.



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11 Nov 2024, 5:04 am

Is surprizing that on this site that not more people like model trains, as statistically it is meant to be the most popular special interest of those on the spectrum. Think computers are third, and I know there are computer fans on here!



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12 Nov 2024, 7:02 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Is surprizing that on this site that not more people like model trains, as statistically it is meant to be the most popular special interest of those on the spectrum. Think computers are third, and I know there are computer fans on here!



You're right! I wonder why that is? When I was a kid in the 1970s I had an HO set in our garage. I loved watching it go around and around! I think it was the Chatanooga Choo-choo! Come to think of it, this was probably my first special interest, as opposed to astronomy which I posted about in another thread. I experienced a huge disappointing blow when someone broke into the garage and stole almost all my train stuff. We never lived in a place big enough to have a train set again, and I moved on to other things, like astronomy (and David Bowie!).



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12 Nov 2024, 7:13 pm

Ziggy Stardust wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Is surprizing that on this site that not more people like model trains, as statistically it is meant to be the most popular special interest of those on the spectrum. Think computers are third, and I know there are computer fans on here!



You're right! I wonder why that is? When I was a kid in the 1970s I had an HO set in our garage. I loved watching it go around and around! I think it was the Chatanooga Choo-choo! Come to think of it, this was probably my first special interest, as opposed to astronomy which I posted about in another thread. I experienced a huge disappointing blow when someone broke into the garage and stole almost all my train stuff. We never lived in a place big enough to have a train set again, and I moved on to other things, like astronomy (and David Bowie!).


Sad when people destroy dreams like that!

I know a way to enjoy model trains in a small space and yet using a larger scale so modelling is easier. Also can be budget friendly as well!



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12 Nov 2024, 8:08 pm

Had an HO rail set during childhood. They are a lot of fun.
Would get one again but it is not a priority at this time.
My priorities are making $$ and getting off of disability.



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12 Nov 2024, 8:14 pm

123autism wrote:
Had an HO rail set during childhood. They are a lot of fun.
Would get one again but it is not a priority at this time.
My priorities are making $$ and getting off of disability.


Making $$? Buying and selling model railroad items?