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Nightwing82
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01 Jan 2025, 5:48 pm

My situation is... interesting.

My family all live abroad in Libya. My mother married a Libyan and we moved there when I was a child. As an adult, it has been difficult to return there because I'm not a citizen. The rest of my family are either dual citizens or have permanent residence through marriage.

Even worse, I wouldn't feel safe there anyway; my family are all Muslims and have constantly tried to push religion on in me in the past. I stopped talking to my mother over a year ago because every time I tried she went on an unhinged rant about trans people and pronouns.

Generally speaking, it a copied among Muslims that apostates should be killed according to Shariya. Some years ago two men were sentenced to death in Libya for coverting to Christianity. Since I was raised in a Muslim family and country, I may be considered an apostate. I did practice Islam when I was younger and am considered an ex-Muslim. Most people outside my family may not be aware of this because I'm American, but I don't want to risk someone from my extended family starting trouble or someone who knew me when I was a kid recognizing me.

Thing is, there's just nothing for me here. I have no meaningful connection to the US. People here are extremely hostile, obsesses with guns, racist, ablist, xenophobic, anti-science, and take great pride in their willful ignorance. Commercialization and capitalism are running rampant. Our already terrible education system and going down the toilet. Healthcare is unaffordable, and now that I'm in my 40s I can't afford to ignore that any longer. The only reason I'm still in this country is that I cannot get out.

And all that was before Trump got reelected. Nobody can deny it any longer: the man was convicted of multiple felony charges, openly bragged about being a rapist, talked in front of the entire country about how he is planning to use the military to go after political opponents, and instigated a riot to attempt to illegally overthrow the government by force. And even after all that not only has he faced no consequences whatsoever but he still got elected president.

My roommate is frequently telling Crom know who over the phone all about how ADHD and bi-polar disorder are caused by demonic possession. I can't afford to destroy what little peace I have by attempting to educate people I'm stuck having to live with. I started to new school year by overhearing my co-workers bragging about displaying the Ten Commandments in classroom and forcing their prayers on students. There's nowhere I can go to be free of this sh!t.

So what do I do? I thought about moving abroad. If not to Libya, then to somewhere else in North Africa or Europe where I would still be closer to family. But how do I do that? I don't have citizenship in any of those countries. I even enquired about how to migrate. I did an ancestry DNA test and found that I don't have any ancestors from countries that grant citizenship based on that. I don't have any kind of specialized STEM degree that's in demand. EU countries prioritize EU citizens for work visas.

I hold a TESOL certificate and a masters degree in special education, and I speak Arabic; but to the best of my knowledge there is not enough demand for any of that to make me competitive in Europe. I thought about being a digital nomad, but I don't have any highly demanded work from home skills. I taught Ed English online circa 2018, but I did not earn enough reliably to do it full time.

What else can I do?



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01 Jan 2025, 6:25 pm

If you are stuck.. find a better social circle for support.....mentally go underground... In this country. Bide your time ..look for opportunities to do what needs to be done ., To get where you are going ...Check into opportunities in the US Diplomatic Corp. .. Arab translators there maybe in demand.. Do not just jump into it Look for various possible requirements,to get a position there. Fluency in Arabic languages could be the biggest plus .....Diplomatic aides and associates can get stationed overseas very often .


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01 Jan 2025, 6:40 pm

The French Foreign Legion?



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01 Jan 2025, 6:42 pm

My suggestion would be to check out the Peace Corp. You could serve in a Muslim country and without penalty practice any religion. It (serving in the Peace Corp) would also give you an inside track to federal employment; the only exception would be an intelligence branch



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01 Jan 2025, 9:26 pm

Aspinator wrote:
My suggestion would be to check out the Peace Corp. You could serve in a Muslim country and without penalty practice any religion. It (serving in the Peace Corp) would also give you an inside track to federal employment; the only exception would be an intelligence branch


I thought of the Peace Corps. Problem is I want to permanently escape the US, not work for it's government.



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01 Jan 2025, 9:27 pm

BTDT wrote:
The French Foreign Legion?


Does that still exist?



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01 Jan 2025, 9:39 pm

Nightwing82 wrote:
Aspinator wrote:
My suggestion would be to check out the Peace Corp. You could serve in a Muslim country and without penalty practice any religion. It (serving in the Peace Corp) would also give you an inside track to federal employment; the only exception would be an intelligence branch


I thought of the Peace Corps. Problem is I want to permanently escape the US, not work for it's government.


You were saying you wish to leave the country, just thought it was a route ? You could retire to another country eventually.. Or quit after you get a post overseas possibly and get situated overseas ? it was Just a thought..
Long range thinking ?.. Not sure if that is what you had in mind?


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01 Jan 2025, 10:14 pm

Jakki wrote:
Nightwing82 wrote:
Aspinator wrote:
My suggestion would be to check out the Peace Corp. You could serve in a Muslim country and without penalty practice any religion. It (serving in the Peace Corp) would also give you an inside track to federal employment; the only exception would be an intelligence branch


I thought of the Peace Corps. Problem is I want to permanently escape the US, not work for it's government.


You were saying you wish to leave the country, just thought it was a route ? You could retire to another country eventually.. Or quit after you get a post overseas possibly and get situated overseas ? it was Just a thought..
Long range thinking ?.. Not sure if that is what you had in mind?


I appreciate your advice. But I just don't think it's what I'm looking for. Besides, I doubt they would send me where I want to go.



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01 Jan 2025, 11:14 pm

I have been wanting to get out of the US since Greg Abbott was re-elected as Texas' governor in 2022. Trump being re-elected only exacerbated that need.

My degree is in geography/urban planning, so I am in the same boat as you. However, I have self-taught AI-related technology and data science skills, but I am worried that might not be sufficient.

I have studied the main European languages, so that may not be an issue, unless I were emigrating to, say, Serbia or Albania.

Also, the whole "marrying for citizenship" thing doesn't work anymore, not even in the US. Of course, I wouldn't advise anybody do that anyway.


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01 Jan 2025, 11:49 pm

Nightwing82 wrote:
BTDT wrote:
The French Foreign Legion?


Does that still exist?


Oui.

https://www.legion-etrangere.com/


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02 Jan 2025, 4:39 am

BTDT wrote:
The French Foreign Legion?


Funny timing, I'm watching the episode of Keeping Up Appearances, where Daddy runs of to join them.

Sorry off topic, but I couldn't resist.


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02 Jan 2025, 10:58 am

It sounds like you are looking for peace and stability in a community with those who are like-minded. Since it sounds like you have rather typical liberal views, you may find it frustrating in that liberalism tends towards the optimistic (the perfectibility of man, etc.) However, we are all born helpless, ignorant, and selfish. Liberalism is ultimately disappointing because it aspires to nobility and people are ignoble. There is no Shangri-la where people are all nice and kind.

I am not saying that people in the US are not racist, but if you want to see real intense and widespread racism try Asia or even the mid-east. You might find a liberal suburb in the Northeast or in Hollywood where most of the people have similar views, but you may find that the only thing they have in common is complaining about those with contrary political views. Ironically, like conservatives do.



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02 Jan 2025, 11:16 am

timf wrote:
You might find a liberal suburb in the Northeast or in Hollywood where most of the people have similar views,


Just how rich do you think I am?



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02 Jan 2025, 12:51 pm

I'm, especially because we are both mediterranean and I see thousands of peoole like you here in Italia.
I cannot help, is it Usa in some way safe? Can you afford to being professionally helped? I hear in you say many cannot.
I don't know how to help, if you would be in Italia it would had been different due or walfare who is actually working great.
Usa I don't know. I'm sorry.


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02 Jan 2025, 12:51 pm

I'm sorry, especially because we are both mediterranean and I see thousands of peoole like you here in Italia.
I cannot help, is it Usa in some way safe? Can you afford to being professionally helped? I hear in you say many cannot.
I don't know how to help, if you would be in Italia it would had been different due or walfare who is actually working great.
Usa I don't know. I'm sorry.


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02 Jan 2025, 12:59 pm

For moving in Europe is quite easy, you don't require nothing except Visa and follow rules (which looks you are ok with) then find a job.
European union doesn't have a "anti imigrant" politic so if you are following our laws you are and you will be greatly accept.
But we are, rightly, eurocentric and catholic.
We allow you to be muslim no problem, we can speak english to you... but be like Emily in Paris is a no no thing.
For the rest, no isn't a trouble join in EU especially if you own Usa's citizen which is ok with us.
No time limit, no job limit... just check your Visa.
If you will turn into european citizen then you will be Schengen so you will stop need to use the passport.
But if you are planning ti go in Schengen we are actually ok... just we want respect, basic respect that we will share with us.
And be aware Schengen rules are more strict than Usa in common life like what you post and say.
For the rest EU is more a common sense land.
Italia do recofnize autism as disability so if you got diagnozed take it with you, we got many immigrants with adhd or autism and is common as is common saving profugees.
You can work as food dealer, is a cool job and allows freedom.
But respect us, that's whole I can say.
We are Mediterranean so you won't miss too much your culture.
Go especially in south.


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