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Chuchulainn
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28 Aug 2007, 10:52 pm

My family, all NTs to my knowledge, think this is ridiculous, but I find it a little exciting/cool.

www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm

Read it.

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28 Aug 2007, 10:57 pm

Your family and all the NTs you know are right. It *is* ridiculous. Yet another crackpot theory... but not as good as the one about antimatter in the brain :lol:



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28 Aug 2007, 11:18 pm

It looks very interesting, I'll definitely read it later.

At the moment, I feel so happy and proud to be an aspie. What if we represent an evolutionary leap? We struggle to master our hypersensitivities and our talents and our lack of certain quasi-instinctive and automatic programs and systems which nts possess which they assume everyone possesses.....

as someone said somewhere in here, we should have as many kids as we can. We could be the future!

slightly loony idea I know. what will be will be.



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29 Aug 2007, 2:04 am

Chuchulainn wrote:
My family, all NTs to my knowledge, think this is ridiculous, but I find it a little exciting/cool.

www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm

Read it.

NOW.


Many NTs think it is ridiculous because they are scared of the implications. They think that humans are the grandest creature ever created, and since they (NTs) view themselves as faultless, they would be "best". When one views autism as another species that contributed a lot of "sexy" traits like creativity and specific talents that are good for science, they feel threatened in their perfect world. Maybe NTs and their ancestors weren't so perfect as they once imagined? Maybe the only "good" trait they contributed was a new social system that is causing wars, racism and alike? Maybe Neanderthals weren't "exterminated" because they were dumb but because of social issues?

Additionally, this view also threatens many NTs belief systems that their social & communicative traits are learned rather than simple, crude instincts.

You now, we NTs couldn't possible have any animalistic instincts? No, impossible! Don't want to hear about it!



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29 Aug 2007, 3:08 am

violentcloud wrote:
Your family and all the NTs you know are right. It *is* ridiculous. Yet another crackpot theory... but not as good as the one about antimatter in the brain :lol:


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29 Aug 2007, 11:15 am

NT's have almost totally destroyed the planet. It is only a matter of time before they make it uninhabitable for themselves and everyone else. If neuro-typicals do evolve to rise above their selfish, barbaric nature, then their will be a future for humanity.



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29 Aug 2007, 12:28 pm

Does everyone here have that occipital (probably spelled wrong) lobe in the back of their head? That "bump"? I've heard that's supposedly a neanderthal thing.

If it was related though, wouldn't that mean AS was much more common in people of European decent than other people? (I don't think it is, is it?)



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29 Aug 2007, 12:31 pm

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If neurotypicals do evolve to rise above their selfish, barbaric nature, then their will be a future for humanity.

I think we are the next step in the evolution. Basically, using the analogy format from the SAT test, Neanderthals:Cro-Magnon::NTs:Aspies (Neanderthals are to Cro-Magnon as NTs are to Aspies). When the Cro-Magnon first evolved, they were probably bullied by Neanderthals, just like we're bullied by NTs (the evolution here took many thousands of years). But in the end, the Cro-Magnon prevailed. A lot more time passed after that, and with the rise of civilization, the aspies are becoming the next step in the evolution. Maybe not in our lifetime, but after thousands of years, aspies will rule the earth.



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29 Aug 2007, 12:43 pm

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Are we Neanderthals?

Some of us are...


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29 Aug 2007, 1:15 pm

maybe there the missing link. :wink:



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29 Aug 2007, 1:23 pm

Wolfpup wrote:
If it was related though, wouldn't that mean AS was much more common in people of European decent than other people? (I don't think it is, is it?)


It is.



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29 Aug 2007, 1:38 pm

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NT's have almost totally destroyed the planet. It is only a matter of time before they make it uninhabitable for themselves and everyone else. If neuro-typicals do evolve to rise above their selfish, barbaric nature, then their will be a future for humanity.


Because no one with AS has in any way contributed to the problems the planet has? Everyone with AS has a carbon footprint of 0 and gathers all their food off the land? No one with AS has ever invented anything significant that leads to the consumerist lifestyle? Only NTs ever drive a car, ride a bus, take an airplane, eat meat, farm, use electricity, heat their houses...?



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29 Aug 2007, 1:38 pm

Two words: Bull. Crap.



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29 Aug 2007, 2:59 pm

rdos wrote:
Wolfpup wrote:
If it was related though, wouldn't that mean AS was much more common in people of European decent than other people? (I don't think it is, is it?)


It is.


Interesting. Then the idea isn't impossible!

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Because no one with AS has in any way contributed to the problems the planet has? Everyone with AS has a carbon footprint of 0 and gathers all their food off the land? No one with AS has ever invented anything significant that leads to the consumerist lifestyle? Only NTs ever drive a car, ride a bus, take an airplane, eat meat, farm, use electricity, heat their houses...?


I think the point was that people with AS would be more logical and responsible in running the planet, although I don't know if AS people are more moral in general or not (although the social justice thing is apparently extremely common-so they might be).



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29 Aug 2007, 6:32 pm

I've already posted on this subject elsewhere. There is no evidence in favour of this Neanderthal hypothesis, and there are solid reasons against it.

One should fit the theory to the evidence, rather than the evidence to the theory.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:52 pm

rdos wrote:
Wolfpup wrote:
If it was related though, wouldn't that mean AS was much more common in people of European decent than other people? (I don't think it is, is it?)


It is.


Okay rdos, I call you out on this. Prove what you say it true with statistics. Don't give me this BS that there is no AS in Africa because there are no African AS websites or organizations. I myself think Asians may be more prone to having AS. Others do to. I can admit that we could be wrong though. Your theory could still be true also. It could be the Neanderthals or related archaic humans were more widespread than you think. Homo Erectus remains have been found throughout Asia. I read this in a blog.

http://www.autismvox.com/autism-ethnici ... /#comments
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I don't have the stats. yet to back it up however, I don't think there is any getting away from it...there is a vast disproportion of Chinese and maybe Korean kids, among the developmentally disabled population, that are autistic. I saw this coming many years ago.

Informal questions I have asked support this. For example...ask a Chinese caseworker within the California Regional Center system what percentage of her caseload of children are autistic...ask the same question of say someone who has primarily Anglos...ain't no doubt.

Why?

I don't know why.



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Again...contact some of the regional centers in Southern California that have large Asian populations...they likely can release stats. to you...

It will support what I am seeing and have been seeing for years...Proportionately...there are far more Chinese, Korean and, I think, Vietnamese kids with autism as compared to other ethnic or racial groups...I think you will find the stats. overwhelming.