Do you think that NTs have bigger ego than us?

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11 Apr 2025, 5:49 am

Do you think that NTs have bigger ego than us? I think their sense of self is more stable and rigid and dismisses many things that are different, but i believe that neurodivergent brains are more unbiased and open to everything resulting to less ego


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11 Apr 2025, 5:56 am

From an NT perspective, autistic people are sometimes thought of as inaccurately having disproportionately large egos.

There can be some truth to that - a lot of people on the spectrum seem to have narcissistic traits that can present itself as egocentrism.

From my own experiences being a part of autistic communities, I would say that a lack of ego or a weak ego can be present in autistic people too, with some autistic folk having traits such as humility, constraint and modesty in abundance.



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11 Apr 2025, 6:03 am

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From an NT perspective, autistic people are sometimes thought of as inaccurately having disproportionately large egos.

There can be some truth to that - a lot of people on the spectrum seem to have narcissistic traits that can present itself as egocentrism.

From my own experiences being a part of autistic communities, I would say that a lack of ego or a weak ego can be present in autistic people too, with some autistic folk having traits such as humility, constraint and modesty in abundance.


Interesting! thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking that even the seemingly egocentric or narcissistic behaviours of people of the spectrum, is paradoxically not caused by their stable self image which is what ego is, (depending on defintion of course) but rather as a frustration and having to be in fight-flight mode most of the time. I know that I only have bene working on developing sense of self in the last years, because I realised I may have seemed determined, or focused etc. but these were often relative to special interestes that were life savers. on the other hand when I lost my grip and was angry it was rarely becasue of self-importance rather because standing up for not being abused and gaslighted - which people seem to always turn against the victim of abuse especially if abusers do it in passive covert ways within social norms.

sorry long answer, but just wanted to add a layer of my own understanding.


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11 Apr 2025, 6:48 am

I think autistic people are born that way, while Narcism and egocentrism are developed in the biographie of the Individual. Neurodivergent and Neurotypical People can be narcistic oe egocentric.
I don’t think that there are significant tendences in such a direction.Please corect my if im wrong.
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11 Apr 2025, 7:45 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
From an NT perspective, autistic people are sometimes thought of as inaccurately having disproportionately large egos.

There can be some truth to that - a lot of people on the spectrum seem to have narcissistic traits that can present itself as egocentrism.

As an autistic you can't take your perspective on things as a role model for how people in general think - you have to do a lot of self examination. I think that kind of introspection is sometimes confused with egocentrism or narcissism. Of course everyone is different and there are a few people that are both autistic and narcisistic, but that disclaimer been made: from my experience usually autistic people show less narcissistic traits than the general population.


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11 Apr 2025, 9:25 am

BillyTree wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
From an NT perspective, autistic people are sometimes thought of as inaccurately having disproportionately large egos.

There can be some truth to that - a lot of people on the spectrum seem to have narcissistic traits that can present itself as egocentrism.

As an autistic you can't take your perspective on things as a role model for how people in general think - you have to do a lot of self examination. I think that kind of introspection is sometimes confused with egocentrism or narcissism. Of course everyone is different and there are a few people that are both autistic and narcisistic, but that disclaimer been made: from my experience usually autistic people show less narcissistic traits than the general population.


I don't know... I feel that it;s all backwards. Because we speak truth, and not play to agree with everyones narratives, we learn to distrust ourselves and then we do the self examination etc. People get offended by hearing diriect things, but it's them who are wrong. they like to live in a pretend land when everyone pats each other on the back and lies through their teeth


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11 Apr 2025, 9:30 am

Diving Parrot wrote:
I think autistic people are born that way, while Narcism and egocentrism are developed in the biographie of the Individual. Neurodivergent and Neurotypical People can be narcistic oe egocentric.
I don’t think that there are significant tendences in such a direction.Please corect my if im wrong.
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I don't know...
There is a scale of "strong ego" all the way to narcissism, although so many people these days show narcissistic traits. Anyway I would say that if anything autistic folks are opposite to narcissists.

After asking this question I looked online and found a great video of Dr Ramani that's titled something like Why Narcissism is different than Autism. I agree wholeheartedly with her having studied a lot about narcissism - she draws a list of different behaviours. Empathy is where most people get is all wrong - even she did. That I believe we feel the raw energy of emotions of other people - but we don't buy into the story they tell to themselves and others about those feelings. That's at least my view.
I am the most empathic person I know, which often got me in trouble becasue how so many people abused my naivite and my wanting to help or give. So they took and took and took. But I will not anymore pity a person who just playing some pity party, or needs validation etc. (I was conditioned to do that a lot because my parents are narcissistic so it had to be their way or no way). But this "there there" empathy, is how most society sees empathy - playing to narratives, validating egos, leveling with someone. I hate and actually am infuriated by how most people show empathy, it's like they like coming across as "great" people and say all these things, but there is no actual meaning behind these words.


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11 Apr 2025, 9:39 am

No.
Just more regulated.
And in some cases, just as hidden, just as subtle.

It's not a matter of narcissism/pride/self centeredness, self esteem/self and identity, empathy/sympathy/allocentry/prosociality, or assertiveness/assurance/confidence/apathy/rigidity or whatever trait that makes someone be able to steamroll others.


A fragile ego is like acting as if one has chronic illness; except internally and very dependent on the external.
It is not born out of lack of reference or habit to be allocentric or acting pro-socially, it is simply born from having a whatever kind of lack that's more akin to hunger for reassurance.
The "lack" can be managed, but rarely ever overcame and solved. It's like a form of greed as it's source of security.

Having a weak ego is not the same as being fragile or pliant; being pliant can be a choice born from being able to regulate, and fawning is not necessarily a primary reason for it.
Having a weak ego is more akin to confusion, cluelessness and directionlessness, one born from confusion or a weak/distorted internal compass.

A smaller ego is simply an ego that's easier to control. It is not necessarily weak or fragile, but it can appear as if it's pliant or unambitious or seemingly not as prideful.
It is simply manageable, simply easier to ignore, easier to carry. Easier to be content.

The inverse can be said with a bloated ego; which is simply harder to regulate, harder to rein from whatever views, ideas, habits and expectations it picks up. It can also just as mimic fragile egos.
They struggle with excess, not lack.
And it's more of a form of addiction than something like being constantly mindful or being greedy over.


Many so called lack of empathy types act more pro-socially. :roll:
Not because they're socialized well, but because they have a very twisted idea of how the world works and just decided to play with the rules of the stupid game.
If they're ethical with the way these types navigate, there's no reason to antagonize them.

Their mask is not some fawning that shields them from getting bullied or rejected, it's their weapon or poison of choice.



To me, ego is just one of the countless complicated stuff to regulate as a human. And it just happened to be one of the most complicated thing to manage.

It's almost no different to regulating one's own thoughts and emotions, except on a different level altogether and in concert, uses one's own intelligence against themselves.

Like one had to go beyond feel goods and feel bads, all the ideas of right and wrong... :roll:


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11 Apr 2025, 10:55 am

According to one largely forgotten theory, egos come in two types, one embedded in the Paranoid aspect of the psyche, the other in the Autistic aspect. Most people have a bit of both, though they are quite different; the Paranoid ego seeks status and the approval of others.



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11 Apr 2025, 11:46 am

Everyone has an ego and it is not possible to measure an ego

Eight billion people in the solar system. Plenty of neurotypicals and plenty of autistics

Not all neurotypicals have the same size ego

Not all autistics have the same size ego

Plenty of factors determine ego size. Autism might be just one of them

It appears to me that neurotypicals are used to being in the majority. And autistics are used to being overpowered, outnumbered, and outsmarted. However everyone has subconscious biases. It is not possible to measure biases. On the other hand, this whole paragraph is just my opinion, not a fact, law, geometric proof, or algebraic axiom



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11 Apr 2025, 12:02 pm

I think they may be more attached to having their self-esteem stroked (flattery), but I don't know for sure. All I know is that I have ASD and flattery doesn't really cut it with me, yet it's so common that I guess it must work quite well on people in general. And there seems to be a lot of people out there who bang on about how they deserve more goodies than they've got, how they were robbed and what a terrible shame it is that they're not higher up in the food chain. They rarely say "I don't understand your behaviour," they say instead "you have something wrong with you." They confuse what they personally want with what is just and fair. Dale Carnegie wrote books about how to manipulate people by feeding their egos.

It's possible that we're more like objective robots with less of an ego to bruise, like an AI chatbot. Not that I think we have no pride at all, I just think we might keep it in proportion better.



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11 Apr 2025, 1:25 pm

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I think they may be more attached to having their self-esteem stroked (flattery), but I don't know for sure. All I know is that I have ASD and flattery doesn't really cut it with me, yet it's so common that I guess it must work quite well on people in general. And there seems to be a lot of people out there who bang on about how they deserve more goodies than they've got, how they were robbed and what a terrible shame it is that they're not higher up in the food chain. They rarely say "I don't understand your behaviour," they say instead "you have something wrong with you." They confuse what they personally want with what is just and fair. Dale Carnegie wrote books about how to manipulate people by feeding their egos.

It's possible that we're more like objective robots with less of an ego to bruise, like an AI chatbot. Not that I think we have no pride at all, I just think we might keep it in proportion better.


I guess that was what i had in mind.. maybe in other words but very similar. Like we take in more facts and are more perceptive. but NTs are said to filter out stimuli through their assumptions and bias - to me that actually means that they have a self-confimration bias more strongly than NDs. anyway thanks for explaining how you see it


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11 Apr 2025, 7:26 pm

I know what you mean, although I probably wouldn't have termed it as ego.

It seems to me more like a self-confidence within NTs as opposed to the low or fluctuating self-esteem that often plagues us autistics. This enables NTs to stand up for themselves and advocate to get what they want, which often we struggle or fail to do in an effective manner.

Suposedly, we are the egocentric ones, in terms of having difficulty recognising and appropriately responding to the needs of others. I think that label is unfair on us, but probably not really fair to apply wholesale to NTs either.

Edit: I feel the same that autism allows us to actually be quite open and non-judgemental compared to NTs.



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11 Apr 2025, 7:33 pm

No, I don't believe NT vs. ND is a significant factor when it comes to how large one's ego is.


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12 Apr 2025, 2:50 am

I think there is a difference between a self and an ego, the self being the inside and the ego being the outside. In my opinion allistic people lead fully equipped egos to the outside in an intuitive way that always surprises me. While I just have a self that doesn’t fit into NT society.
I can only speak for myself and not for all autistic people, but for me it’s the main difference to allistics. So maybe autistics are more self centred and allistics have the “bigger” ego.



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12 Apr 2025, 6:36 am

velvet morning wrote:
I think there is a difference between a self and an ego, the self being the inside and the ego being the outside. In my opinion allistic people lead fully equipped egos to the outside in an intuitive way that always surprises me. While I just have a self that doesn’t fit into NT society.
I can only speak for myself and not for all autistic people, but for me it’s the main difference to allistics. So maybe autistics are more self centred and allistics have the “bigger” ego.


hmm.. i'm trying to untangle the meaning. because words in this topic can be particularly confusing.
when you say you think autistics are more self centred - what do you mean? do you mean that they are more in their own world?
i would agree with that, while also paradoxically being completely blended with everything around me. it's like to opposites.


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