Missing group in Aspie-quiz found
Finally, I've found the missing group in Aspie-quiz.
Those that have seen the spider-diagram cannot have missed noticing the asymmetry where NT social is paired with Aspie activity. Aspie activity has also been a real narrow group, and it is common in ADHD-profiles to have a sharp arrow towards Aspie activity. However, now I think I have "found" the missing Aspie social group. It is broad just like the NT social group, and it is highly related to the neighbouring groups (Aspie compulsion and Aspie communication).
The unusual sexuality group have existed for a while. This group was broadened with relationship-traits a while ago, because this was the best pairing of these traits. The romantic questions added in the last version showed that "partner obsessions" was quite a common trait, and related to some traditional romantic traits, as well as some sexuality traits.
Thus, I tried to create the new Aspie social group based on "partner obsessions", and this has been highly successful. First some romantic traits and odd social traits groupped here, and then the sexuality-traits. In the end it looked like it would be a good idea to actually merge the new Aspie social group with the remaining traits in the sexuality group, and it turned out that this worked very well.
So, here are the resulting traits identifying Aspie social:
-Have you had difficulties fitting into expected gender stereotypes, perhaps having interests and behaviors that are atypical for your gender?
-Are your dreams and fantasies much like those of others? (reversed)
-Do you have an alternative view of what is attractive in the opposite sex?
-Is your sense of humor fairly conventional? (reversed)
-Do you judge a potential mate as most anybody else would? (reversed)
-Has there been a period of time when you were not your usual self and you were so irritable that you shouted at people or started fights or arguments?
-Is it harder for you than for others to get over a failed relationship?
-Do you tend to become obsessed with a potential partner and cannot let go of him/her?
-Have you experienced stronger than normal attachments to certain people?
-Do you naturally fit into the expected gender stereotypes? (reversed)
-Are you fairly insensitive to physical pain, or even enjoy some types of pain?
-Have you have had long-lasting urges to take revenge?
-Do you refuse to give up on a relationship or potential relationship that others would not bother with?
-Do you think others should have the same friends and enemies as yourself?
-Do you examine the hair of people you like a lot?
-Do you have unusual sexual preferences?
-Attwood - Do you seek an audience or friends capable of enthusiasm for unique interests and topics?
-Do you feel like you were born with the wrong gender?
-Are you fairly non-sensitive to physical pain?
-Do you instinctively cross your arms when you are in a closed state of mind?
-Do you have compulsive sexual behavior, e.g. spend too much time on sex or switch sexual partner frequently?
-Are you homosexual or bisexual?
-Do you have an interest in or have practised BD/SM?
-Do you find it natural that males take initiatives to start a romantic relationship? (reversed)
-Do you tend to lean towards your partner when you are at a restaurant or party?
-Do you prefer to have friends of the opposite gender?
-Do you respond quickly to slights?
-Are you bisexual?
-Do you like to be naked in private?
-If you were single, would you find casual sex (one-night stands) rewarding?
-Do you lick people you like a lot?
-Private religion
-Did you prefer to sleep in your parents bed rather than in your own room as a child?
-Do you think leather is sexy?
-Are you homosexual?
-Have you been in love with more than one person at the same time?
-Do you believe in fate when it comes to love?
-Do you save love-letters?
-Do like it when people you are fond of looks a lot at you and continue to do so for several hours without anything else happening?
-Do you hope to meet the "right one"?
Some other questions that could also fit in here:
- Are your views typical of your peer group? (reversed)
- Fear / avoidance for urinating in a public bathroom
- Odd sense of humor
- Do you prefer romantic relationships to develop fast?
- Do you find it easier to understand and communicate with odd & unusual people than with ordinary people?
- Do you interpret a pat on somebody's head as patronizing?
- Rating for goat
- Rating for horse
- Do you believe in love at first sight?
If people have more traits that are some social predispositions for behaving in a certain way (as opposed to a lack of behaving in the usual NT social way), I'd be glad to test these. I'm sure there must be more traits, or traits that are better descriptions of things on the list.
It is also interesting to note that for instance BD/SM is not just odd sexuality, it is actually a whole way of life, which goes very well with the close relationship between sexuality and social traits observed in Aspie-quiz. Such thing is not observed in NT-sexuality at all (the NT social and NT communication groups have no connection to sexuality at all), but it is observed in other primate species, like the bonobo.
-Do you feel like you were born with the wrong gender?
-Are you homosexual or bisexual?
-Do you have an interest in or have practised BD/SM?
-Are you bisexual?
-Do you like to be naked in private?
-Do you lick people you like a lot?
-Private religion
-Do you think leather is sexy?
-Are you homosexual?
-Do like it when people you are fond of looks a lot at you and continue to do so for several hours without anything else happening?
-Do you hope to meet the "right one"?
Some other questions that could also fit in here:
- Fear / avoidance for urinating in a public bathroom
- Odd sense of humor
- Do you believe in love at first sight?
I think the answers to these questions are highly variable depending on the person, and specific answers to them would not necessarily be indicative of Asperger traits.
I don't get the goat/horse questions, either.
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Leading a double life and loving it (but exhausted).
Likely ADHD instead of what I've been diagnosed with before.
And what do the following criteria mean? Or do I want to know?
- Rating for goat
- Rating for horse
Why not? I think this is linked to a fondness for animals. The background was that I presented pictures of different things, among those
a horse and a goat, and people got to rate how much they liked them. Turns out that high ratings are related to Aspie social traits. I've seen these (and other strange traits) being linked to sexuality before, but the background is that they are linked to social traits, but because the social traits have been missing, they instead linked with sexuality.
BTW, there was also an NT male and NT female that was negatively linked with Aspie social and a Aspie male and female that was positively linked with Aspie social. These have also from time to time shown linkage to sexuality, but there is nothing sexual about the pictures.
Quite likely so, but to get the whole picture one needs to study traits with small to insignificant correlation to being Aspie that still are related to traits that have considerable correlation with Aspie traits. The question about "partner obsessions" have considerable correlation to being Aspie. Many of the questions about relationships and sexuality do not, but this among other things is related to opportunity. So, basically, because Aspies have so many problems in the relationship area, it is necesary to study linkage rather than direct relationships with Aspie.
BTW, the list was sorted in relevance order, and the first traits are good indicators of being Aspie, while the last are not.
Your list is going to really throw the asexuals for a loop.
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Oddly, asexual might have a place on it. Asexual today is related to NT social, but if combined with Aspie social traits might switch to Aspie social. This is one of those things that needs to be tested. Another reason to believe so is that Aspie social is strongly correlated to environmental traits, and so is asexual. Also, because of the strong correlation to environmental traits, without directly measuring environmental traits, Aspie social might be good for achieving higher reliability for DSM dxes AS/HFA.
So, the position of asexual is to be determined because it has not been run with Aspie social traits yet.
Just checked, and it confirms my suspicions. Being asexual is among other things related to liking animals (a candidate trait for Aspie social), and linking animals is related to a preference to socialize with odd people (which is definitely an Aspie social trait). Asexual is also related to not fitting into gender stereotypes, which is an Aspie social trait.
I find many of these questions utterly demoralizing in the context of a quiz that is intended to include rather than exclude people with Autistic conditions.
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Many people with this condition actually do not know what the dreams and fantasies of others might be. How the heck would I know whether or not my sense of humour is conventional? Why do you expect me to know how others judge potential mates or to be clued up on what the “norms” are for romantic attraction? Is it not an inability to readily share in such highly social and Theory of Mind related information part and parcel of the conditions your quiz is surveying for? It makes me feel awful when something that should include me leaves me feeling like an unaware and alienated social ret*d.
From recollection your quiz was not as bad in this respect as Baron Cohen’s tend to be. Both in terms of the quality of the outcome, and in the expectation that it is not your intent to make those experiencing Autistic conditions feel stupid and excluded, I politely urge you to reconsider inclusion of questions that require extensive expertise in evaluating or knowing the social and individual norms that so many of us are clueless in respect of.
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How did you know?
Does this mean, "Do you do a lot of licking of a person that you like," or does it mean, "Do you occasionally lick someone you really like?"
I do the latter, but how in the world is that considered to be an Aspie trait?
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How did you know?
Does this mean, "Do you do a lot of licking of a person that you like," or does it mean, "Do you occasionally lick someone you really like?"
I do the latter, but how in the world is that considered to be an Aspie trait?
If it's outside the context of "like" as in "sexually attracted to", it sure isn't generally done among NTs. It has such strong sexual overtones that it wouldn't be done just between friends.
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How did you know?
Does this mean, "Do you do a lot of licking of a person that you like," or does it mean, "Do you occasionally lick someone you really like?"
I do the latter, but how in the world is that considered to be an Aspie trait?
If it's outside the context of "like" as in "sexually attracted to", it sure isn't generally done among NTs. It has such strong sexual overtones that it wouldn't be done just between friends.
Okay... so my wife and I have this game where we try to lick each other's noses. It's not at all sexual. I like her a lot. Is that what this is referring to? I wouldn't go up to anyone else and lick their nose as a greeting, if that's what this is talking about.
So... depending on what the original intent of the author of this question was, I could answer it with either a Yes or No.
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I have Aspergers Syndrome. Many people with this condition actually do not know what the dreams and fantasies of others might be. How the heck would I know whether or not my sense of humour is conventional? Why do you expect me to know how others judge potential mates or to be clued up on what the “norms” are for romantic attraction? Is it not an inability to readily share in such highly social and Theory of Mind related information part and parcel of the conditions your quiz is surveying for? It makes me feel awful when something that should include me leaves me feeling like an unaware and alienated social ret*d.
From recollection your quiz was not as bad in this respect as Baron Cohen’s tend to be. Both in terms of the quality of the outcome, and in the expectation that it is not your intent to make those experiencing Autistic conditions feel stupid and excluded, I politely urge you to reconsider inclusion of questions that require extensive expertise in evaluating or knowing the social and individual norms that so many of us are clueless in respect of.
Unlike Baron-Cohen's tests, Aspie-quiz lets you skip those questions, without any real effects on the result. There do exist autistic adults that have adapted very well, and that can answer these questions. And because of people skipping questions, I know that those questions do not have too high levels of people that cannot answer them. Generally, above 10% of "?" answers is the limit for inclusion, and most questions only have a few percent.
How did you know?
From personal experience. I have a family-member with this trait.
BTW, when it comes to such preferences, it is always the case that it relates to close friends, family or partners, because Aspies generally do not like to socialize with strangers. The question is not meant to give sexual associations, but I understand that it does give such anyway.
I have a daughter that liked to lick my hand (or nose) a while ago. Clearly not sexual, but affectionate.
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