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23 Sep 2007, 5:37 am

Okay, at the risk of being removed from the Aspie basket and placed straight into the nutcase folder, who else besides me thinks that there appears to be a link between Aspergers and evolution/alien intervention etc.
I can understand that some of us are unusually gifted - we can attribute that to IQ and our super human ability to focus.
But when I browse the forum though what raises my eyebrows is the amount of posters that are obsessed with sci fi and aliens - for a group that dispels anything lacking logic why do we for the greater part seem to entertain this connection and yes I see the obvious - feeling on the wrong planet etc, but what really clicks for me is when I read list of artists , inventors etc with Aspergers and find that they too had this preoccupation some before the invention of Sci Fi
Feel free to shoot from the hip, Id never dream of bringing a knife to a gun fight :P



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23 Sep 2007, 5:53 am

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who else besides me thinks that there appears to be a link between Aspergers and evolution/alien intervention etc.


I, "at times", like to fancy that we are decended from an ancient colony of space refugees...

The gap in anthropology (little butt jaw midget to perfectly constucted uprights) causes me to ponder this. yes yes neanthrathal man...


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23 Sep 2007, 6:08 am

YAy, a taker!! !!
Okay it gets worse - when I read about creation in the bible I often wonder if the Nephillium references are actually Aspies- the term "giant" relating more to intellect than physical size- it makes alot of sense when I interpret it this way



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23 Sep 2007, 6:15 am

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Okay, at the risk of being removed from the Aspie basket and placed straight into the nutcase folder, who else besides me thinks that there appears to be a link between Aspergers and evolution/alien intervention etc.


C:/documents/nutcase/crackpot20%theories/ArcAngel06

I'm sure you're a very nice nutcase though :D



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23 Sep 2007, 6:19 am

GENESIS 6:1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Indeed I am and at least I am capable of original thoughts - hell Einstein was hailed as a nutter too Out of curiosity how would you interpret that passage?



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23 Sep 2007, 6:43 am

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I, "at times", like to fancy that we are decended from an ancient colony of space refugees...


Me, too! Sometimes I entertain the idea of ALL mankind being descended from aliens, and sometimes I think only Aspies are.... or that Aspie's are the continued evolution of man.

Yes, yes indeed.


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23 Sep 2007, 6:44 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling

In particular:

"As noted, it has been hypothesized that the changeling legend may have developed, or at least been used, to explain the peculiarities of children who did not develop normally, probably including all sorts of developmental delays and abnormalities. In particular, it has been suggested that children with autism would be likely to be labeled as changelings or elf-children due to their strange, sometimes inexplicable behavior. This has found a place in autistic culture. Some high-functioning autistic adults have come to identify with changelings (or other replacements, such as aliens) for this reason and their own feeling of being in a world where they don’t belong and of practically not being the same species as the "normal" people around them.[22] In the book The Stolen Child, Keith Donohue talks about the life of a changeling from the point of view of two boys."

I've always thought of myself as a changeling. I've always felt an intense connection to nature, animals, and magic; reading about changelings, it seemed to all make sense. Now, having recognized myself as high-functioning autistic, it fits more than ever.

I still don't reject my identity as a changeling, which many might consider insane; but for me such things are religious beliefs, and I don't feel it's any crazier than believing in angels and devils and eating your savior (communion). I've always left "offerings" in various places, kind of instinctively.

I don't think it's mutually exclusive to recognize autism as a physical condition and to believe that it's something more. After all, our bodies are just the tools we use for interacting with the world - any difference in the facilities of those bodies could simply just be customized for a different kind of mind. Like left-handed and right-handed writing desks, or stairs vs. a ramp.

Just a funny anecdote - at my second birthday party, a badger came to our front door. 8O Apparently he just walked up the sidewalk and stood at the front door like he was waiting to be let in. My dad was like, "Who invited the badger?" and they all got a big kick out of it. It just stood there looking inside through the screen door for several minutes, and then it turned around and left.

But anyway, autism definitely would explain the various accounts of changelings. Their "ill-temper," seemingly inexplicable behavior, difficulty speaking, and their strange insight and wisdom.


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23 Sep 2007, 7:00 am

I agree with alot of your post and I too feel this association but logical as I am there is also something else there- something that teases.
When I reflect on characteristics of Aspies I am always struck by the our patterns of thought, dejavu, etc
We are highly individual which make our commonalities all the more interesting in my opinion.
It still does little to explain the preoccupation with aliens and space in particular.
There arent many fairy or Merlin references or even an expressed interest in the supernatural in general posts but even the music and literature that appeals to us is of this alien/space genre.



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23 Sep 2007, 8:19 am

The scifi idea is REALLY understandable! On star trek, a number of things are nuts. The idea of a transporter, for example. Ironically, the transporter was a device to save star trek money, because they had a tight budget. They couldn't afford the models, and special effects needed, so they created the transporter to just transition from the ship to the planets! Still, even on the series they note how it is currently impossible to do even if you COULD do all the mapping and rebuilding. ALSO, it is theoretically impossible to move anything at the speed of light and keep it intact. In theory the ship would have to be made out of some wierdly constructed element and/or shielded by some wierd energy. Such things have never even been CONSIDERED as existing in the entire galaxy.

Outside of that, the basic idea of the first episode of start trek isn't THAT out of line. The idea of matter/antimatter is an old concept. It is just another power source, and the most basic theory is the same one used to run the internal combustion engine, and jet engines. It is just that a matter/antimatter explosion would provide incredible force. It would be basically an instantaneous nuclear explosion. Atom bombs explode in an exponential fashion, and are thus far less efficient. Keep in mind though that, as such, containment would be even MORE of a problem than getting the ship to handle going at the speed of light. ALSO, the radiation would be immense. It just isn't practical. The idea of a society that is utopian where so many gt along and altruism is more important than wealth seems attractive. Even the idea of a phaser is not new! The technology is never really discussed, but terminology and appearance make it appear to be a laser of sorts. The disintegration COULD be done through an antimatter stream(Though that would be too nasty), but there are a number of ways to stun, and certainly kill, using similar technology.

So it seems more possible theory, exploration, and idealization and, indeed, a normal drama, than fiction.
Even STARGATE! The idea of alien intervention, parasites with race memory, and wormholes isn't new. A lot of the technology is based on that, star trek technology, or theory.

But HEY, the basic ideas are the same ones that make harry potter so successful. And harry potter is based on myth, occult, tricks, and some theories coming from that.

Now, as for the idea we come from an alien race? Some have said that we were created to do things like the Psychlos in battlefield earth did. Who's to say? It is ludicrous that people just happened, and yet we are here.

BTW I am not obsessed, I simply like it. I HATE that I saw JUST enough of EFC to wildly whet my appetite and yet there are like 4 sub series in them an I must GUESS at the transition! SG1 has at least 3 sub series. OK, one they broke out into another full series, but STILL. I haven't seen enough. Even startrek, with like 6 I haven't fully seen. Or babylon 5 which I think had like 3. Or andromeda? But OBVIOUSLY, life goes on. I haven't even made sure my schedule allows for viewing. This coming friday, SG1 enters a new phase, and I will likely miss it.



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23 Sep 2007, 8:40 am

I am no expert but I have read that String Theory will make transportation of objects possible in the near future by causing the atoms to vibrate and change
I really cant take credit for the idea that we may come from an alien race. i was reading Genisis in a motel room one day and I just thought that saying humans were crossbred with giant Gods seemed strange and physically impossible so I cross checked
References that the "Sons of Gods (Giants) bred with the Daughters of Man" are found in EVERY biblical text even the Koran. The entities are described as extra terrestrial even by biblical scholars
I believe Aspergers to be genetic and polygenic at that



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23 Sep 2007, 9:29 am

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GENESIS 6:1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Indeed I am and at least I am capable of original thoughts - hell Einstein was hailed as a nutter too Out of curiosity how would you interpret that passage?


Contrary to religious fundamentalist belief it is not genetically possible to start and sustain the human race with just one man (adam) and one woman (eve) or even a small handfull of men and women. Even with the assumption that the first offspring would be of a sizeable number and contain a mix of both genders the incest necessary to continue to grow the human race would result a genetic degeneration which would very quickly wipe out the population.

It would be an extreme example of what can be observed in some royal dynasties (particularly those of ancient Egypt) where there is enough inbreeding to cause a significant increase in the instance of genetic diseases.

It's a fun topic though. :)



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23 Sep 2007, 9:53 am

I think the concept is called"maintaining the diversity of species" It is why zoos will enter into world wide breeding programmes when attempting to breed rare and endangered species.
The actual text from Genisis is suggesting that extra terrestrials were bred with humans- crossbreeding of two different species, maybe it was the reason this happened



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23 Sep 2007, 9:59 am

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I am no expert but I have read that String Theory will make transportation of objects possible in the near future by causing the atoms to vibrate and change
I really cant take credit for the idea that we may come from an alien race. i was reading Genisis in a motel room one day and I just thought that saying humans were crossbred with giant Gods seemed strange and physically impossible so I cross checked
References that the "Sons of Gods (Giants) bred with the Daughters of Man" are found in EVERY biblical text even the Koran. The entities are described as extra terrestrial even by biblical scholars
I believe Aspergers to be genetic and polygenic at that


You DO realize your research is flawed! It is ******NOT******* "in the koran". That is taken from the old testament. It was written around 600 or so AD! The Bible doesn't count either, as it comes from the old testament. So those three sources are really ONE in this case.

As for that application of the theory, dream on....



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23 Sep 2007, 10:13 am

It would be interesting but there is no evidence to suggest it though.

In fact the genetic evidence would suggest otherwise.

We are something like 99.9% genetically identical to a Benobo so if your theory was correct the aliens would have to have reproduced with Benobos but then that defeats the essential core of the premise (that we are different from other species because of alien intervention).

Humans, whether aspie or not are genetically close to so many other species on this planet that we have to face up to the fact that this planet is our home and we are just another animal on it.

We have been around a tiny fraction of the time other species have managed and the way things are going we would probably end up as a tiny margin note in the history of the planet.



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23 Sep 2007, 10:17 am

I don't know...

Other than having a small opinion, I don't connect into alien race relations and the bible hardly at all.

It doesn't seem far fetched "to me" that genetic modifications could be made to 'the genome" to allow offspring of alien/human couplings to be a feasable reality.

What "I" think is "out there" is the idea that as a general rule "ALIENS" are grey, have HUGE heads, small necks, big black eyes, three fingers, a small mouth, SHORT Statured Telepaths-

Overlaying this to aspie/autistics:
The Grey: no one knows what they mean so they are obviously not BLACK AND WHITE.
The Huge Head: brain matter intelligence complexity.
Small Necks: either a general lack of backbone OR the inability to do much with their huge head
Big Black eyes: no one really knows what those eyes are meaning, therefore, black, the color of the unknown.
Three fingers: one to flip off evildoers, one to point the finger, and a thumb to infer "yes" "good"
as the SMALL MOUTH doesn't say much relying on telepathy.

Now who's crazy :P

What is totally strange to me is the fact that so many thousands of NT's can be hypnotized into thinking that governmental experimentations are the result of some off worldly ship and little tiny people who all fit this description.

no, shrug, hardly crosses my mind..
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23 Sep 2007, 10:19 am

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........... as a general rule "ALIENS" are grey, have HUGE heads, small necks, big black eyes, three fingers, a small mouth, SHORT Statured Telepaths-



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