Can you pay a doctor extra money to diagnose...

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26 Sep 2007, 1:50 am

you with anything you want to have?


Suppose someone wanted to be diagnosed with AS but the psychiatrist said he/she doesn't have it but the patient wants the diagnoses real bad so he/she tells him he/she pay him (this amount of money) if he gives her/him the diagnoses.

If I wanted to be diagnosed with something else like I decide I want to have NVLD, I pay a specialist lot of money for the diagnoses.
(Of course that's not what I am going to to, I was just giving an example of what)

Can people do that?

If not, then I know my parents never paid my psychiatrist extra money to diagnose me just so they can have power over my school.



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26 Sep 2007, 4:51 am

Depends on the doctor. If it is a doctor with integrity and good morals, then absolutely not.

But, sadly, I can't help feeling that there are some unscrupulous doctors that might take bribes to give a particular diagnosis.



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26 Sep 2007, 7:26 am

Well I guess technically they can do it, but ethically not. A doctor would lose their license if they did such a thing.



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26 Sep 2007, 7:34 am

Some criminal doctors would, but note that if it ever got out that the doc was doing that he'd lose his license to practice medicine



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26 Sep 2007, 8:47 am

ChangelingGirl wrote:
Well I guess technically they can do it, but ethically not. A doctor would lose their license if they did such a thing.


a doctor would lose their license if they could prove they did such a thing. . .



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26 Sep 2007, 8:58 am

I doubt most doctors would take a bribe. However, I think that many doctors are susceptible to flattery and social status, and could be manipulated into giving a diagnosis by patients who could offer them these. For example, I don't think most doctors would give a false diagnosis for a bribe, but I think that plenty would let their opinion be swayed by a patient who invited them out to a prestigious country club for golf, or who donated large sums to their hospital.

In your case, I have no idea what might have happened.



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26 Sep 2007, 11:19 am

likedcalico wrote:
If not, then I know my parents never paid my psychiatrist extra money to diagnose me just so they can have power over my school.


How would you having a diagnosis give your parents control over your school? I think I'm missing something.



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26 Sep 2007, 11:29 am

probably meant getting him an IEP or something that would allow the parents some control over how he's being educated...



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26 Sep 2007, 11:34 am

A diagnosis for something like Asperger's Disorder is not always black and white. There is no specific blood test. It occurs in varying degrees in different people, and it is based on criteria that are somewhat subjective in nature. For example, "Severe and Sustained Impairment in Social Interaction", and "lack of social or emotional reciprocity." These words may mean very different things to different people. If you absolutely needed a diagnosis for a specific reason, then a sympathetic psychologist might be inclined to write you up that way, interpreting the information that you provide in terms of the DSM IV criteria.



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26 Sep 2007, 12:28 pm

Indeed. It's a value judgement on some levels. If you must get a diagnosis of this sort, I'd be inclined to go to a different doctor for a second opinion, then possibly one after that, rather than resorting to bribery which will be illegal.


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26 Sep 2007, 12:44 pm

the_incident wrote:
likedcalico wrote:
If not, then I know my parents never paid my psychiatrist extra money to diagnose me just so they can have power over my school.


How would you having a diagnosis give your parents control over your school? I think I'm missing something.



My school wanted to put me in a class with violent kids because I was always getting in fights with my peers becase they were bullying me. I was hitting them and kicking them and I get in trouble. So with a diagnoses, my parents could use it to stop the school from putting me in a class with violent kids. I guess my ADD diagnoses wasn't enough. My parents knew I had something else because I wasn't only ADD. The treatment I was getting for it wasn't working so I was going for another diagnoses. My shrink thought I might have AS so my Mom asked for a psyhciatrist to look it over so she recommended a guy so she took me to see him for a couple of months and then he diagnosed me. He said AS was the closest he could get to for me for a diagnoses. I guess there was no other criteria I met or that fit me.



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26 Sep 2007, 6:05 pm

probably. this is amercia after all


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26 Sep 2007, 8:53 pm

likedcalico wrote:
the_incident wrote:
likedcalico wrote:
If not, then I know my parents never paid my psychiatrist extra money to diagnose me just so they can have power over my school.


How would you having a diagnosis give your parents control over your school? I think I'm missing something.



My school wanted to put me in a class with violent kids because I was always getting in fights with my peers becase they were bullying me. I was hitting them and kicking them and I get in trouble. So with a diagnoses, my parents could use it to stop the school from putting me in a class with violent kids. I guess my ADD diagnoses wasn't enough. My parents knew I had something else because I wasn't only ADD. The treatment I was getting for it wasn't working so I was going for another diagnoses. My shrink thought I might have AS so my Mom asked for a psyhciatrist to look it over so she recommended a guy so she took me to see him for a couple of months and then he diagnosed me. He said AS was the closest he could get to for me for a diagnoses. I guess there was no other criteria I met or that fit me.


Well, if you weren't truly violent, then they OWED you a better situation. Frankly though, whether AS, ADD, or Classic Autism, they should still treat you accordingly. Having said that, my first school LOVED to spank me, with a BIG paddle. It was approx 3/4" thick. Perhaps 6" wide, and the wide end was probably about 1.5 feet. I might be off in the measurements, as it has been several decades, but I am certainly not exagerating. And GUESS WHAT! I was NOT a trouble maker or violent, etc...



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26 Sep 2007, 9:27 pm

An ethical doctor would not even consider it.


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26 Sep 2007, 9:41 pm

No. And if you even managed to bribe a doctor for this sort of thing, his/her credibility is probably already shattered, or will be quickly. So, you're fake Dx would be meaningless anyway. Besides, how would that help you at all? Deceipt about an 'imaginary' condition just confounds the matter profoundly. Why would you want to? That's the first question.

I suppose one could argue that Michael Jackson may have 'bribed' his plastic surgeon(s) because he's past the point of no return with his cosmetic surgery and any ethical doctor would have said "No" several surgeries ago.


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26 Sep 2007, 10:13 pm

LabPet wrote:
No. And if you even managed to bribe a doctor for this sort of thing, his/her credibility is probably already shattered, or will be quickly. So, you're fake Dx would be meaningless anyway. Besides, how would that help you at all? Deceipt about an 'imaginary' condition just confounds the matter profoundly. Why would you want to? That's the first question.

I suppose one could argue that Michael Jackson may have 'bribed' his plastic surgeon(s) because he's past the point of no return with his cosmetic surgery and any ethical doctor would have said "No" several surgeries ago.


There's no accounting for taste though. Most plastic surgery is done on the whim of the patient.