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26 Sep 2007, 11:35 am

My apologies if this is something that has been talked out, but each time I attempt a search the site tells me it has been disabled...

Anyhow, I have done some searching to dig up information about stims and well, each time I do, I feel I come up short. I cannot think of any behaviours that myself or my daughter have the would be considered "stimming", but that is only based on some websites that spoke about young children/autism/common stims.

Anyone care to have this conversation?

Explain this stimming?

Or give me examples of the wide variety of stims?

I am sure I just saw a post about stripped shirts and stimming...but I am not really sure I understand.


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26 Sep 2007, 12:03 pm

I always thought 'stimming' meant self stimulation. But I think it covers repetitive things like rocking.



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26 Sep 2007, 12:06 pm

My main stims are hair tr=wirling and "handwashing". I used to have others though. Stimming is absolutely more than the stereotypical movements mentioned by autism websites Actually, everyone stims, only autistics do it in a more noticeable way.



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26 Sep 2007, 12:10 pm

I am aware of stereotypical stims such as hand flapping/wringing, rocking, head banging, spinning objects, lining items up, splashing water, etc

But then I have heard of striped shirts, listening to the same song over and over again, excessive drawing etc and this is where the lines become blurred for me because if these are considered self stimulating behaviours then I guess we WOULD have stims....but I am confused about why these sorts of things are considered stims.

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26 Sep 2007, 12:13 pm

I think there's a lot of confusion about this on WP - I see a lot of posts where people say they're "stimming on the internet," or the one you mention about stimming on striped shirts and the like. Or driving as stimming. At least from what I understand of stimming, none of those behaviors are actually stimming (although they may well be Asperger's related). Internet work may be an obsession with technology or whatever you happen to be researching, you may see patterns or mesmerising colours in striped shirts, but they don't meet the criteria for stimming as I understand them, anyway. From Wikipedia:

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Stimming is a jargon term for a particular form of stereotypy, a repetitive body movement (often done unconsciously) that self-stimulates one or more senses in a regulated manner. It is shorthand for self-stimulation, and a stereotypy is referred to as stimming under the hypothesis that it has a function related to sensory input. Stereotypy is one of the symptoms listed by the DSM IV for autism and is observed in about 10% of non-autistic young children.

You might also be able to call some of the above a stereotypy, but not stimming. To me, stimming has to be a body movement, a very repetitive one, usually small. So, for instance, I'll flap or shake a hand when I'm stressed, when I used to be in school I'd shake my leg under the desk, repetitively bite on my knuckles, or drum my fingers incessantly. All small things, all very specific motor movements (and that's the key part to remember), all repeated very quickly. It seems to be stress related, I only stim if I'm stressed or concentrating on something. Because of this, I suspect that for some aspects of OCD, the two can be confused. OCD is also anxiety and stress related, but OCD actions are more connected to specific fears, and can be a bit more complex. Also, OCD tends to need external objects (but not always).

I'm not sure if I'm expressing myself clearly, here. Does this help?


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26 Sep 2007, 12:15 pm

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My main stims are hair tr=wirling and "handwashing". I used to have others though. Stimming is absolutely more than the stereotypical movements mentioned by autism websites Actually, everyone stims, only autistics do it in a more noticeable way.


Which is what I gathered, but to what degree?

hair twirling makes more sense to me, as a stim, but handwashing I would immediately wonder if that was a compulsion (more ocd like, no?)

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26 Sep 2007, 12:19 pm

mmaestro wrote:
I think there's a lot of confusion about this on WP - I see a lot of posts where people say they're "stimming on the internet," or the one you mention about stimming on striped shirts and the like. Or driving as stimming. At least from what I understand of stimming, none of those behaviors are actually stimming (although they may well be Asperger's related). Internet work may be an obsession with technology or whatever you happen to be researching, you may see patterns or mesmerising colours in striped shirts, but they don't meet the criteria for stimming as I understand them, anyway. From Wikipedia:
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Stimming is a jargon term for a particular form of stereotypy, a repetitive body movement (often done unconsciously) that self-stimulates one or more senses in a regulated manner. It is shorthand for self-stimulation, and a stereotypy is referred to as stimming under the hypothesis that it has a function related to sensory input. Stereotypy is one of the symptoms listed by the DSM IV for autism and is observed in about 10% of non-autistic young children.

You might also be able to call some of the above a stereotypy, but not stimming. To me, stimming has to be a body movement, a very repetitive one, usually small. So, for instance, I'll flap or shake a hand when I'm stressed, when I used to be in school I'd shake my leg under the desk, repetitively bite on my knuckles, or drum my fingers incessantly. All small things, all very specific motor movements (and that's the key part to remember), all repeated very quickly. It seems to be stress related, I only stim if I'm stressed or concentrating on something. Because of this, I suspect that for some aspects of OCD, the two can be confused. OCD is also anxiety and stress related, but OCD actions are more connected to specific fears, and can be a bit more complex. Also, OCD tends to need external objects (but not always).

I'm not sure if I'm expressing myself clearly, here. Does this help?


It does, indeed...as you have mentioned above, I would have naturally thought those to be true of stimming, OCD and Asperger's, but the information I have read here is often conflicting....

edit: to include THANK YOU :lol:


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26 Sep 2007, 12:21 pm

makelifehappen wrote:
hair twirling makes more sense to me, as a stim, but handwashing I would immediately wonder if that was a compulsion (more ocd like, no?)

At least from my understanding, the difference is whether the relief from anxiety/stress comes from the motor movement, or the "cleansing." Because water and/or soap can affect how your skin feels, you could even include that in stimming by some definitions. For OCD, it would have to be connected with obsessive thoughts and relief from those obsessive thoughts, like a fear of germs or contamination. Without those fears, it might instead by stimming.


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26 Sep 2007, 12:26 pm

stimming purely relief from sensory overload?


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26 Sep 2007, 12:30 pm

Useful list of stims (and their primary function) from Aspie-quiz version 8: http://www.rdos.net/eng/aspeval/stim8.htm



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26 Sep 2007, 1:53 pm

fantastic.

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26 Sep 2007, 1:56 pm

hmmm, some of the things on that list i didnt realize as stims. Like doodling, im been doing that sence Kindergarten. Guess i learned something new today.



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26 Sep 2007, 3:22 pm

My son has had many of the stims that are on the list. He has licked and chewed his lips until they are purple, pulled all his eyelashes off, sings to self, hums, grunts and swallows hard repeatedly to clear his ears even though he tells me nothing is wrong with them. Usually these stims occur one at a time. He does them more when he is stressed, and he is usually unaware that he is doing them until I bring it to his attention. He doesn't know why he does them. When I see him do one repeatitively over a couple of days, I will ask him if something is bothering him. Sometimes he'll say yes, and we'll talk about it. Sometimes they'll last a couple of days...sometimes months, but they all eventually go away or are replaced with something different.


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26 Sep 2007, 3:40 pm

Stims can be so many different things to handwringing, to handflapping, to rocking back and forth to just tapping of the feet. You can also stim off of something like I bite my boyfriend sometimes, which is not good haha but its a way I stim off of him.


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28 Sep 2007, 6:31 pm

:roll:

makelifehappen wrote:
mmaestro wrote:
I think there's a lot of confusion about this on WP - I see a lot of posts where people say they're "stimming on the internet," or the one you mention about stimming on striped shirts and the like. Or driving as stimming. At least from what I understand of stimming, none of those behaviors are actually stimming (although they may well be Asperger's related). Internet work may be an obsession with technology or whatever you happen to be researching, you may see patterns or mesmerising colours in striped shirts, but they don't meet the criteria for stimming as I understand them, anyway. From Wikipedia:
Quote:
Stimming is a jargon term for a particular form of stereotypy, a repetitive body movement (often done unconsciously) that self-stimulates one or more senses in a regulated manner. It is shorthand for self-stimulation, and a stereotypy is referred to as stimming under the hypothesis that it has a function related to sensory input. Stereotypy is one of the symptoms listed by the DSM IV for autism and is observed in about 10% of non-autistic young children.

You might also be able to call some of the above a stereotypy, but not stimming. To me, stimming has to be a body movement, a very repetitive one, usually small. So, for instance, I'll flap or shake a hand when I'm stressed, when I used to be in school I'd shake my leg under the desk, repetitively bite on my knuckles, or drum my fingers incessantly. All small things, all very specific motor movements (and that's the key part to remember), all repeated very quickly. It seems to be stress related, I only stim if I'm stressed or concentrating on something. Because of this, I suspect that for some aspects of OCD, the two can be confused. OCD is also anxiety and stress related, but OCD actions are more connected to specific fears, and can be a bit more complex. Also, OCD tends to need external objects (but not always).

I'm not sure if I'm expressing myself clearly, here. Does this help?


It does, indeed...as you have mentioned above, I would have naturally thought those to be true of stimming, OCD and Asperger's, but the information I have read here is often conflicting....

edit: to include THANK YOU :lol:


I suffer from Aspergers, GAD and panic disorder, OCD-like tendencies, and ADHD-like symptoms. I believe they are all intertwined in some way. Before I was officially diagnosed w/ AS, my Psych thought I could have gone undiagnosed w/ ADHD. However, there always was some missing link, until I found out about AS. As usual, I strayed off topic :roll: ...
Ok, where was I? Oh yeah, it was stimming!
I rock, shake one of my legs (I'm terrible to sleep next to), wring my hands and clench my hands


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