How is our way of thinking different from that of NTs?

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27 Sep 2007, 7:46 pm

We've heard it before: aspies don't think like NTs. But how exactly do we think unlike NTs?

I can tell you, that I have a hard time not seeing the meaninglessness of social rituals and highly structured social interactions. Also, whenever I feel someone wrongs me, I psychoanalyze them in my own way and try not to hold ill feelings towards them; my feelings sometimes betray me, but at an intellectual level I try to see everything that relates to human interactions with the eyes of an unbiased scientist.

Could it possibly be that we are overly anal about everything and trying too hard to rise above the crowd? I'm not sure if that's always the case, but in my case I know I have a hard time not seeing things for what they are or at least for what I perceive them to be.

I guess it all depends on the strength of the microscope we use to examine the world we live in. I believe we think unlike NTs because we look at the world closely and examine it carefully, whereas their interpretation of the world is limited to what their naked eyes can see.

Speaking of looking at the world through magnifying glasses of different strengths, I'm sure there are folks out there who look at the world so deeply they can't even function properly and are simply labeled loonies and sent to the nuthouses. It seems like the deeper a person examines the world the more dysfunctional and inappropriate that person becomes. It’s also called survival of the fittest; that's why we are so rare.



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27 Sep 2007, 9:11 pm

I can't stand mandatory social interaction. I have a huge problem with work functions, the company picnics. I stand there like a tree for the required two hours and talk to no one. I hate dealing with people. I wish everyone would just leave me alone.

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27 Sep 2007, 9:28 pm

Its agreed. Aspies see themselves as independent units, unbound by the present social structure. In some cases, its because they can't attach, or because they don't want to, or even both.



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27 Sep 2007, 9:46 pm

I think we think unlike NT's because NT's rely more in their Reptilian complex, while we rely on higher brain functions.



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27 Sep 2007, 11:09 pm

This is why some of these internet AS forums are of interest to me(especially this one):

Its because we have a name for ourselves - its just that if it weren't for that we have some syndrome named after the discoverer of this "minority in neurological difference" that is a syndrome in this culture, it would be more of a way of being than a syndrome.

Some day, it could be called something else. But for now, we do recognize what it takes to see things from a broader perspective. Its requirement is the AS brain or similar to the AS brain.

Its interesting because I think that AS is becoming more like a whole other culture and one that is based on our individuality than the socially conditioned thinking that most neuro-normal brains' were designed for (there still are countless NT people out there that don't mindlessly obey the socially conditioned rules).

Call it, if you may, genetic or a culture of individuality, I think that AS can prove itself with a revolutionary aspect of opportunity in a culture of its own for what it really does represent.



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27 Sep 2007, 11:59 pm

after living for decades and decades with NTs I am astonished I can see my way of thinking at all. But like a person that lives a different life and language while at home, then changes for the office and lives the professionalism there, I can live in both the NT world and the Aspie world and function in either of them.

However, there are issues I have with the NT world, and issues I have with the AS world. The issues I have with the AS world are far more apparent to me than the NT, actually.
I suppose it would be because I am far more used to the NT world and not the Aspie world.



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28 Sep 2007, 12:29 am

Both think, more or less. On most things they would reach the same conclusions.

Both can tell if it is raining.

My view of the differance is NTs can find an answer, quickly, AS tends to explore the question.

Hence I hold patents, for the answers everyone knows end thinking, but looking at the question, yields other answers. Even then they seem to think they were one off, and try to claim the new.

Tests have been done. Three people are talking, a forth is sent to join the group on some pertext. The group is talking about the new cars being made in California that run on water. The forth will join in and agree. It is called peer pressure.

An AS might point out that it takes more energy to reduce water to hydrogen and oxygen than can be gained from using it as fuel. Then they will keep speaking till the group sneeks off. It might be a good test for AS.

NTs know, AS questions. No systems like to be questioned. Few systems can survive being questioned. It does not matter if it is a school, office, government, or church, questioning it's role, rights, or anything about it, gets the reaction we get from the world.

NT is very situational. Our great leaders in Washington are doing what the Constitution calls treason. Tell a towny cop he has no right to search without a warrent, he has a gun, and men with guns and government jobs are the law.

Then let the government tell the men with guns that they are superior, chosen by God, to run the world, and everyone else will be picking cotten on their knees. At least they are safe from terrorists, for Homeland Security is standing over them with guns, protecting their freedom for god.

AS will question being safe, and move to unsafe but free places.

In time, a few of gods chosen will get killed, they will take it out on the slaves, till they get killed by the hundreds, then they will throw away the uniforms, and claim they had to do it to feed their kids. Now they want to lead the slave revolt, and are willing to wear a uniform, carry a gun, and enforce power.

It is the NT way, and no matter how many times they wind up hanging from lamp posts, they will be right back to doing it for god and country. Those who question the slave revolt will find a group ready to surpress them in the name of freedom.

There is a lot of AS in The Constitution.

I think we should empty our jails, send them to England, where they can kill and enslave the savages that live there, take their land, in the name of our god, then pay us taxes. We can get rid of this human garbage, and make money. It is a win win deal. England is not a real country, after all, they are ruled by a Queen. They are primitive savages. Such animals stand in the way of progress. God wants them exterminated.

AS questions.



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28 Sep 2007, 12:58 am

I still try not to view all people the same like all NT's are this and what have you. It's been difficult yes. I'd have friends get pissed at me for not acting like a friend while I didnt think it was a big deal to not speak to any of their friends. Sometimes I feel that people try too hard to push people to be like them and can't understand that you can't just snap your fingers and do certain things others can do.

Sometimes I wonder if people should get diagnosed as a NT, come with a pamplet on how to deal with it and pamplets for others and be forced to learn how to not engage in small talk and how to take time out to observe minor details and have less interests for better focus rather than unimportant multiple interests in order to fit in.

See, NT could be a psychological defect where we must guide them to another kind of conformity! While you are at it, you don't need 200 shoes, 200 pairs of jeans. Just think of how NT's dysfunctional shopping habits could save them money with the proper treatment!



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28 Sep 2007, 1:43 am

Survival of the fittest ay? Well yeah I get that... I am surviving in my tricky situations and staying strong so... yeah I guess lol.


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28 Sep 2007, 2:10 am

The problem with "survival of the fittest" is while one Aspie may be strong, it can be VERY difficult for one strong, confident, brave and clever Aspie to take on dozens of mediocre-at-best sheep all baa-ing the same tune to the powers that be.

And the great powers that be listen only to masses, not an individual. They usually have the limited thought that individuals cause trouble. If someone is independent it's because they can't work as a team. If they can't look you in the eye, they're liars. Limited thinking.

I still think of it as small gears vs. big gears. NT's with their little gears spin very fast, and can come to simple conclusions quickly (which sometimes make us look bad.) Unfortunately, little gears can't handle a heavy load.
Aspies have large gears that turn slower, making everyday tasks come out slower too - but can handle the complex, heavy thought required for so many of the world's (and office) problems. And NT's resent it - preferring to focus on the "slow" portion, and convince themselves that we're dummies and therefore dismiss our reports about their destructive behaviour.

NT's are very vulnerable to mind control, Aspies are nearly immune to it. (Very few TV commercials make me want to run out and buy something, where Average Joe gets REALLY excited!)



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28 Sep 2007, 7:54 am

It seems as though they keep everything so shallow. They do not explore the depths of their own thoughts and emotions, much less those of others.

I prefer logical, meaningful interactions, not the illogic of social hierarchies and cliques. So silly and pointless.

My mom reminded me of the time when I was 10 and she asked why I only played with boys, not girls. I said because they merely wish to stand about discussing everyone else. They were boring. That is still how I feel, though now that feeling extends towards most nts. I LOVE discussions with eccentrics and aspies though!


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28 Sep 2007, 9:43 am

I forget where the quote came from, but; "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss other people."

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28 Sep 2007, 10:23 am

BlueMax wrote:
I forget where the quote came from, but; "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss other people."

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Good one. And Marie Curie said "be less concerned about people and more concerned about ideas."



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28 Sep 2007, 10:48 am

unnamed wrote:
I forget where the quote came from, but; "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss other people."


It was Eleanor Roosevelt who said that :)



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28 Sep 2007, 11:36 am

I perceive things from a very logical, scientific point of view and always analyze something. Logic and justice are much more important for me than feelings. I always must know a rational reason of everything :) Since childhood I liked experimenting with people's feelings - I like setting things in motion, being a reason of something, in this case a reason of a particular feeling that starts to build a nest in such a human's soul under my behaviour's influence. It's a bit like in case of those stereotypical children with classic low functioning kanner autism who derive pleasure from setting a saucer or coin in motion but with this difference that my play is more complicated.

I don't find touching many things that are a source of churning in people. For example there's a book "Medallions" written by an author from my country which consists of several short stories about Nazi crimes and their victims. The first one says about making soap of the bodies of dead people killed by nazists and I don't get it why people find it shocking. I feel disgust (I'd never like to wash with such a soap - according to the author, those pieces of soap had a bad odor) but I loved an idea that even so completely useless things like corpses could be useful again one more time. I can easy explain a reason of such a reaction in people but I don't feel anything special thinking about this myself.



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28 Sep 2007, 2:57 pm

I find that I am fairly resistant to peer pressure and such.
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