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16 Oct 2007, 3:51 pm

By now, most are probably aware of the scientific evidence that the length of the index finger in relation to the length of the ring finger indicates the levels of estrogen versus testosterone we were exposed to in the womb.

A longer index finger is associated with higher estrogen and a tendency towards maths, physics, writing and intellectual pursuits versus higher testosterone which is associated with competitiveness and physical agility in sports.

Most women have an index finger about the same length as ring finger. Most men have a longer ring finger. Men with longer index fingers tend to be found lecturing in universities, according to small sample studies. Bear in mind that the length is a ratio, so need to measure each from the base. It is a very small difference, but it can still be measured.

My index fingers are markedly longer than my ring fingers. Even more so than is usual for women. I'm wondering if there is any correlation between this and AS, or if it is simply a random speculation on my part? Might be worth a poll?



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16 Oct 2007, 4:12 pm

my ring fingers are longer than index too. There was a thread on this not too long ago. I think that I and my sisters had too much androgens when in the womb as all of us have AS symptoms to some degree while only one brother does.


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16 Oct 2007, 4:18 pm

Really? Your ring fingers are longer? I would have thought the other way around. Competitiveness and sport agility doesn't seem to fit the AS traits, as I understand them. Interesting.



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16 Oct 2007, 4:20 pm

I'm going to whip out a ruler when I feel like looking for one, so I'll get back to you. I know you're all dying to know.


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16 Oct 2007, 4:34 pm

Sapphix wrote:
Really? Your ring fingers are longer? I would have thought the other way around. Competitiveness and sport agility doesn't seem to fit the AS traits, as I understand them. Interesting.


Maybe sports is fun even if someone is a bit clumsy. Mine are longer too.



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16 Oct 2007, 4:35 pm

My index fingers are longer than my ring fingers as well.

What confuses me, though, is that my second toes (next to the big toes) are both longer than my big toes...



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16 Oct 2007, 4:35 pm

oh snap son! all my fingers are the same length!! 8O
just kidding. both my index and ring finger are the same size


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16 Oct 2007, 4:42 pm

People with AS, HFA or autism often have long ring fingers. This only indicates how much testosterone/estrogen you were exposed to in the womb, not your current testosterone/estrogen level. A good diet may actually perform miracles when it comes to testosterone production.

Edit: Have a ring finger that's almost the same length as the long finger. 8)



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16 Oct 2007, 5:12 pm

Okay, thanks Reodor. Since I'm clearly not in the ring finger category, there is either no correlation or a wrong diagnosis. I'm interested that you say that testosterone is higher in AS, since that would be associated with war-like behaviour, not the reverse.

Thanks for the diet tip, but I wouldn't want to increase my levels of testosterone. I'm quite happy with being estrogen-driven :)



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16 Oct 2007, 5:20 pm

My ring finger is longer than my index, but not by much.



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16 Oct 2007, 5:21 pm

Sapphix wrote:
Okay, thanks Reodor. Since I'm clearly not in the ring finger category, there is either no correlation or a wrong diagnosis. I'm interested that you say that testosterone is higher in AS, since that would be associated with war-like behaviour, not the reverse.

Thanks for the diet tip, but I wouldn't want to increase my levels of testosterone. I'm quite happy with being estrogen-driven :)


The testosterone exposure in the womb may be what causes asperger's syndrome, acording to some scientists. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't sugesting that you should increase your testosterone level, my point was that lifestyle has a lot more to say when it comes to current testosterone production than the testosterone exposure in the womb. :P



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16 Oct 2007, 5:50 pm

From BBC Science:

"Oestrogen 'boosts male research'
Bath University

Male scientists are good at research because of above average levels of the female hormone oestrogen, a study says.

The survey, conducted on male academics at Bath University, found they had high levels of the chemical, which aids analytical skills.

The scientists tended to have longer index fingers than other men, indicating high oestrogen levels.

Oestrogen causes the right side of the brain - responsible for analytical skills - to develop."



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16 Oct 2007, 7:19 pm

Lightning88 wrote:
What confuses me, though, is that my second toes (next to the big toes) are both longer than my big toes...


That's really a natural thing; some people have them shortened with surgery, but most are born (and stay) like that.

My index fingers are both longer than my ring fingers but not by very much.


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16 Oct 2007, 7:53 pm

My ring fingers are decidedly longer than my index fingers on both hands...I am not warlike/competative/athletic...etc...I am very right brained...if they use that term anymore....my left eye (which ironicly is my bad eye) is my dominant eye, and i am left-handed....



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16 Oct 2007, 8:01 pm

RainSong wrote:
Lightning88 wrote:
What confuses me, though, is that my second toes (next to the big toes) are both longer than my big toes...

That's really a natural thing; some people have them shortened with surgery, but most are born (and stay) like that.

Thanks! I always thought it was some abnormal thing!



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16 Oct 2007, 8:12 pm

Both my second and middle toes are longer than my big toes. The big toe is kinda like the thumb of the foot.