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12 Nov 2007, 4:12 pm

A Panorama documentary aired on the BBC tonight has just made some damning claims that ritalin is ineffective. Has anyone got any positive comments about the use of stimulant drugs to treat inattention, impulsivity and mood regulation.



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12 Nov 2007, 4:16 pm

I haven't had any experience with them, so I wouldn't know.

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12 Nov 2007, 4:22 pm

I've found Ritalin to be effective. I've also found that the negative side effects outweigh the positive benefits.



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12 Nov 2007, 4:24 pm

caffine makes me less impulsive, helps me focus, and keeps my mood more level.

Oddly enough I was unmedicated for attention/focus as a kid, but I was medicated for asthma (which was basically only done with stimulants in those days) so I think they helped me (or made me a life long dependant :lol: ).

honestly now that I think about it the focusing problems started being a lot worse when my asthma got a lot better. Woah I think I just had a breakthrough.



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12 Nov 2007, 4:25 pm

i find adderall xr (amphetamine salts) to be effective in helping me concentrate. I've been taking it since high school.


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12 Nov 2007, 4:26 pm

IIRC, from the BBC news story they still think it can be effective for a year (although not as much as originally thought), but after 3 it was only as effective as behavioral modification, and also stunted growth with long term use. I'm not sure I'd call it damning, but certainly to be avoided long term.


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12 Nov 2007, 4:34 pm

Our youngest son has taken Ritalin for a year, then Metadate for a couple of years, and now Strattera. The Ritalin and the Metadate (both stimulants) have helped him to focus in class. They are not miracle drugs -- he focuses better, not perfectly. We changed to Strattera because the effectiveness of the other drugs always seems to wear off after a while. The Strattera seems to be helping more with social skills and organizational skills than with paying attention in school. I definitely see a time when we will go completely med-free, and I kind of see the Strattera as less effective than the stimulants, and therefore a stepping stone to getting off of the meds in a year or two, when some maturity has kicked in and our son feels more comfortable with what is expected of him.

The thing I DO notice on the Strattera is that our son is very happy. I'm guessing that the Strattera really helps to regulate his moods. If that changes when we try to take him OFF the Strattera, I will have no problem putting him right back on. His happiness is the most important thing.

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12 Nov 2007, 5:14 pm

I was a caffeine addict as a child and it made me really hyper, nervous and an insomniac (in a family that had bedtimes). I stopped growing at 11, so I don't know if my growth was stunted, though I was predicted to be much taller than I am. (I grew really fast until 11)
But in college, caffeine kept me going. If I had too much, I got paranoid and irritable. Now in my late 30's, I need quite a bit to keep from sinking into depression. It actually works as an anti-depressant, it keeps my mind off the "low stuff" and gives me enough energy to find things to do and eventually be happy.
I drink coffee, eat chocolate and once in a while I drink an Amp. That's always helpful, pairing caffeine with B complex. Emergen-C is another good source of B complex.



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12 Nov 2007, 5:15 pm

alex wrote:
i find adderall xr (amphetamine salts) to be effective in helping me concentrate. I've been taking it since high school.



Alex, by how much your concentration improves with adderall?

From 1 - 10, 10 being the most you can concentrate, how much can you concentrate with and without adderall?



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12 Nov 2007, 5:35 pm

Like Alex, I took Adderall XR, and I found it to be a good helper. I started taking it in the 6th grade, and stopped last year (10th grade); I found that I can function well enough without medicine.



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12 Nov 2007, 5:39 pm

I took Ritalin for a time in 8th grade (for my supposed ADD) and it brought me to a lower low than I was ever was in and seriously wanted to die. I'm happy I got off of it when I did.

So no, it wasn't effective in my case.


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12 Nov 2007, 5:58 pm

fresco wrote:
A Panorama documentary aired on the BBC tonight has just made some damning claims that ritalin is ineffective. Has anyone got any positive comments about the use of stimulant drugs to treat inattention, impulsivity and mood regulation.


A couple of months ago I started taking Concerta, which is a slow-release version of methylphenidate (the generic name of Ritalin) and it has really been a help.

I'll admit that my first experience with Ritalin was taking 60 mg up my nose, which kept me awake for three days. The weird thing was that I was ultra-aware of my body, my coordination was perfect, and I could suddenly touch-type. I had this overwhelming feeling of "this is what normal people feel like." I had the most amazing self-confidence, but it wasn't like that false ego-inflation you get when you're drunk, it was the ability to finally see the good in myself.

I realized it wasn't necessary to hate and loathe myself anymore, that I didn't have to punish myself for being who I am. A massive breakthrough which helped me see Hope as something other than a teasing bitch-goddess.

I was in a super-depressed, suicidal state beforehand, and it actually helped me not get carried away with emotion. What it seemed to do was enhance the objective, reasoning portion of my brain instead of numbing the emotional side of my brain, and it allowed me to process and deal with the emotions rather try to stifle or control them.

It's like I finally met an entirely new dimension of my personality, the dimension that has the ability to feel. Instead of having an enemy in my head, I realized I had the best friend in the world.

I never thought I could live without undeserved guilt. AS aside, I've also had to deal with the whole Irish Catholicism/swim in booze dynamic.

Now, I don't recommend snorting the stuff, it can be addictive, it messes up your nose pretty hard, and overdose is pretty easy to accomplish, which is why I take the slow release capsules. I didn't quit smoking so I could pick up another addiction.

The one problem I have with them is that they kill my appetite, so I have to be sure I eat enough.

Some people have mentioned several side effects reported in the media, I have to say these are most likely bunk. See, there are all of these "studies" released solely for the media to report on, which are then used as excuses and pretexts for state intervention in our lives. I put studies in quotes because these are not scientific studies aimed at finding objective fact, these are direct attempts at manipulation, whether its for political gain, monetary gain, or just a lying jerk trying to drum up grant money.

Wikipedia has some info on these side effects:

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Researchers have also looked into the role of methylphenidate in affecting stature, with some studies finding slight decreases in height acceleration.[16] Other studies indicate height may normalize by adolescence.[17][18] In a 2005 study, only "minimal effects on growth in height and weight were observed" after 2 years of treatment. "No clinically significant effects on vital signs or laboratory test parameters were observed."[19]

A 2006 review assessing the safety of methylphenidate on the developing brain found that in animals with psychomotor impairments, structural and functional parameters of the dopamine system were improved with treatment.[20] This indicates that in subjects with ADHD, methylphenidate treatment may positively support brain development.

A 2003 study tested the effects of d-methylphenidate (Focalin), l-methylphenidate, and d, l-methylphenidate (Ritalin) on mice to search for any carcinogenic effects. The researchers found that all three compounds were non-genotoxic and non-clastogenic; d-MPH, d, l-MPH, and l-MPH did not cause mutations or chromosomal aberrations. They concluded that none of the compounds present a carcinogenic risk to humans.[21]

In February 2005, a team of researchers from The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center led by R.A. El-Zein announced that a study of 12 children indicated that methylphenidate may be carcinogenic. In the study, 12 children were given standard therapeutic doses of methylphenidate. At the conclusion of the 3-month study, all 12 children displayed significant treatment-induced chromosomal aberrations. The researchers indicated that their study was relatively small and their results needed to be reproduced in a bigger population for a definitive conclusion about the genotoxicity of methylphenidate to be drawn.[22]

In response to the El-Zein study published in 2005, a team of six scientists from the Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Psychotherapy and the Department of Toxicology, University of Würzburg, Würzburg, Germany began a more in-depth study. They sought to respond to the challenge noted above to attempt to replicate the results of El-Zein et al. in a larger study. Their paper was completed in 2006 and published in 2007 in Environmental Health Perspectives (EHP), the peer-reviewed journal of the United States' National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. This study used a larger cohort and a longer period of follow-up and included a small group of long-term users, but otherwise used what researchers believed to be an identical methodology to that used by El-Zein et al. (They note that El-Zein et al. published a short study report and did not publish detailed descriptions of methodology.) After follow-ups at six months, the researchers found no evidence that methylphenidate might cause cancer, stating "the concern regarding a potential increase in the risk of developing cancer later in life after long-term MPH treatment is not supported".[23]

The effects of long-term methylphenidate treatment on the developing brains of children with ADHD is the subject of study and debate.[24][25][26][27] Although the safety profile of short-term methylphenidate therapy in clinical trials has been well established, repeated use of psychostimulants such as methylphenidate is less clear.

In the United States, methylphenidate is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance, the designation used for substances that have a recognized medical value but present a high potential for abuse because of their addictive potential. Internationally, methylphenidate is a Schedule II drug under the Convention on Psychotropic Substances.[28] Methylphenidate has been used illegally by students for whom the drug has not been prescribed, to assist with coursework and examinations.[29] The use of ADHD medication in children under the age of 6 has not been studied. ADHD symptoms include hyperactivity and difficulty holding still and following directions; these are also characteristics of a typical child under the age of 6. For this reason it may be more difficult to diagnose young children, and caution should be used with this age group.


See, what the media never reports on is their methodology. They are hoping that people just say, "oh, they're DOCTORS, they know what they are doing, who are we to question them?"

Most medical studies are about as scientific as throwing a woman in the water to see if she's witch. Sadly, they are held in as high esteem today as were the witch trials in Germany and Salem. Why? Because those in charge said to.


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12 Nov 2007, 10:58 pm

My son took Concerta for many years but after awhile it seemed to be pretty unhelpful. He switched to a Daytrana patch and that was much more helpful. That was in concert with Risperdol which helped with the mood swings, tics, and social issues. I think it's all about finding the right drug cocktail for the symptoms that irritate you. Since being forced to live with his dad, they've had him on 7 different things in as many months for the attention issues. He says none of them help and he's since stopped taking anything except the Risperdol. He says this is the only useful med he's ever had. Makes him feel in control and stable. I'm okay with that.

I've self meded with caffeine for years. don't know if anything else would work at this point.


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13 Nov 2007, 10:58 am

Kurtz experience sounds promising. I think we can conclude it really is down to the individual and their unique brain chemistry. I would still like to try it one day. I've never finished a task in my life.



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13 Nov 2007, 11:38 am

I was never prescribed to stimulants before, but I had an ADHD friend who hated his meds and used to give them to me. It was Adderall XR, and I loved it. I had no problem with socialization, I was able to express myself aloud so much better, and overall I was just happy. But apparently coke does those things too. Though Adderall made me feel really good, going without it made me want to die. It was also really obvious that I was pretty much just hopped up on speed. No idea how that stuff is legal, it's wicked.


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13 Nov 2007, 11:43 am

I took prozac for 2 years, and I do have to say it helped alot while I was still in my depression. It even inadvertantly helped a little with my apiphobia.