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22 Aug 2005, 12:43 pm

Me again;)

Read this here:
pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/GiftedProblems.pdf

Any similarity with AS?

I am really gifted for technology, music, i just got so many interests that i don't know which to choose as a primary!
Still, many AS are not AS, they are just gifted and just different, and many gifted are that with AS or both!

You see, the problem of gifted is that we so often feel out-of-sync in society and we got different perception on things, just read that pdf file and get close with it.

That confuses me, do i got AS or not, do i got only few traits of AS...don't know.
Where are the boundaries again?
Maybe you all can help me, what is really common with all peoples with AS?
I've read on the web criterias and symptoms, but that is not enough.
I want to hear it from your personal experiences.

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22 Aug 2005, 12:47 pm

gifted, the best thing is to have a look round this board and see what resonates with you. no one here can diagnose you, i'm afraid.

but good hunting :)



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22 Aug 2005, 12:55 pm

vetivert wrote:
the best thing is to have a look round this board and see what resonates with you.


Especially with all these great forums, like Television, arts crafts music...
There are a few other ones that would be great to rummage through. i have an idea for one, which I might contact an administrator about...


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22 Aug 2005, 1:09 pm

Gifted wrote:
You see, the problem of gifted is that we so often feel out-of-sync in society and we got different perception on things, just read that pdf file and get close with it.


Not to be rude, but you certainly are full of yourself. That's a positive AS sign.

Maybe there isn't any difference between Asperger's Syndrome and giftedness. The problem with that idea is that many people with Asperger's Syndrome are not gifted. I know that I am certainly not gifted. Traditionally one who is gifted is accomplished or exceptional in a range of things, but most people with Asperger's Syndrome are not because Asperger's Syndrome has a tendency to narrow a person's range of interests. This does not mean that it is impossible for a person who has Asperger's Syndrome to be a gifted individual, it just means that it is more difficult for a person with Asperger's Syndrome to be gifted in the traditional sense.

It is true that people who are gifted may come up against social barriers because of a difference of intellectual functioning, but in most cases these barriers are mild compared to a person with Asperger's Syndrome. A person who is gifted but without Asperger's Syndrome would not have the problems of sensory overload or stimming that occur normally with a person who has Asperger's Syndrome. A person who is gifted would have no problem playing a combat flight simulator while listening to a Verdi aria, whereas only a few people with Asperger's Syndrome would be able to do this. (I am sure that somewhere out there exists someone who has Asperger's Syndrome and has a topical focus of both airplanes and opera, and this would be almost a classic thing for that person to do if that person is able to handle two major simuli simultaniously.)

So it is true that there may be people who are "merely" gifted who are diagnosed as having Asperger's Syndrome with a false positive, and there may be people who are "merely" having Asperger's Syndrome who are falsely identified as being gifted. And there are people who are both gifted and have Asperger's Syndrome. These are two different conditions that are independent of each other, but share some symptoms. That's why in the diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome one must have a number of symptoms -- the chance that a person has this number of symptoms and yet does not have Asperger's Syndrome is smaller than the chance of a person having giftedness without Asperger's Syndrome and still having the same number of symptoms that are associated with Asperger's Syndrome.


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22 Aug 2005, 1:11 pm

I've never had trouble focusing on 2 or more things at once........ well, apart from when wearing my headset and trying to watch TV :P


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22 Aug 2005, 1:19 pm

BlackLiger wrote:
I've never had trouble focusing on 2 or more things at once........ well, apart from when wearing my headset and trying to watch TV :P


How about playing guitar, watching TV, and talking on the phone at the same time?


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22 Aug 2005, 1:20 pm

EvilWalks wrote:
BlackLiger wrote:
I've never had trouble focusing on 2 or more things at once........ well, apart from when wearing my headset and trying to watch TV :P


How about playing guitar, watching TV, and talking on the phone at the same time?


How about chewing gum, chewing skittles, and chewing tobacco at the same time? (Eewwwwww)


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22 Aug 2005, 1:21 pm

PaulB wrote:
EvilWalks wrote:
BlackLiger wrote:
I've never had trouble focusing on 2 or more things at once........ well, apart from when wearing my headset and trying to watch TV :P


How about playing guitar, watching TV, and talking on the phone at the same time?


How about chewing gum, chewing skittles, and chewing tobacco at the same time? (Eewwwwww)


Proof that IQ level doesn't mean anything right here.


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22 Aug 2005, 1:21 pm

PaulB wrote:
EvilWalks wrote:
BlackLiger wrote:
I've never had trouble focusing on 2 or more things at once........ well, apart from when wearing my headset and trying to watch TV :P


How about playing guitar, watching TV, and talking on the phone at the same time?


How about chewing gum, chewing skittles, and chewing tobacco at the same time? (Eewwwwww)


Okay.............


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22 Aug 2005, 8:16 pm

I am both gifted and Aspergers. Anyone else?


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23 Aug 2005, 1:59 pm

Sophist wrote:
I am both gifted and Aspergers. Anyone else?


Me. It seems very common.



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23 Aug 2005, 3:16 pm

Sophist wrote:
I am both gifted and Aspergers. Anyone else?

Asperger's syndrome implies giftedness because Asperger's syndrome itself is a gift. Therefore, if you have AS, you are gifted!



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23 Aug 2005, 3:22 pm

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I know that I am certainly not gifted.


I say it again. I am intelligent, and a deep thinker, but I seriously doubt that I can be classified as gifted. I lack the range of skills required to be considered gifted.


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23 Aug 2005, 6:01 pm

Paul i have to disagree with you. I was diagnosed with AS, and I am quite gifted ever since i was young!! I have great talent for music to play the piano, I can visually reproduce anything I can see and I have been able to learn Asian Languages like Korean and Japanese with little effort..... so I think Asperger's can also contirbute to being ableto posess such gifts. My parents and sibilings do not share my gifts, so it must be from AS!!



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23 Aug 2005, 6:18 pm

Um, i think all Paul is saying is that he has AS and does'nt consider himself gifted. That's his perspective. How can you argue with that? I wouldnt say im gifted either in the context it is generally used today. Id say the genuinely gifted people with AS or NT's for that matter is a small minority.



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23 Aug 2005, 6:36 pm

eamonn wrote:
Um, i think all Paul is saying is that he has AS and does'nt consider himself gifted. That's his perspective. How can you argue with that? I wouldnt say im gifted either in the context it is generally used today. Id say the genuinely gifted people with AS or NT's for that matter is a small minority.

See how many of these characteristics apply to you. I've emboldened the ones that I have.
Francis Heylighen wrote:
Characteristics of Creative Genius
I have always had an insatiable curiosity.
I am able to run my mind on multiple tracks at the same time.
I learn rapidly and retain / apply what I learn.
I tend to be very independent.
I tend to be less motivated than others are by rewards, bonuses, and praise.
At times I have asked embarrassing questions or rudely pointed out truths at the wrong time.
My preference for the complex can fool me into underestimating the simple answer.
I like to refine and improve others' innovations.
I feel comfortable with a wide range of emotions.
I can see many sides to nearly any issue.
Honesty, integrity, and ethics are important to me.
I can help others understand themselves better.
I am a seeker and champion of ultimate truths.
My nervous system is easily aroused, and I am able to discern the slightest changes in my environment (aromas, shifts in light, etc.) or detect irritants (e.g. scratchy sweater label).
I can feel along with and for others.
I set high standards for myself and for others and am my own worst critic.
I tend to look for consistency and security in systems, rules, and orderliness.
I am often considered a "driven" person.
I have maintained my childlike sense of wonder.
I am intent on searching out universal truths.
I am deeply disturbed by inequity, exploitation, corruption, and needless human suffering.
I can and do work myself to exhaustion.
Some people think I'm too serious.
I have always been interested in social reform.
I value and will defend diversity.
I have a strong need to "make a difference."
I have a penchant for risk-taking.
I can and do ignore my own needs for the sake of others.

© LIBERATING EVERYDAY GENIUS™ by Mary-Elaine Jacobsen, Psy.D.

Characteristics of Gifted Adults
Perfectionistic and sets high standards for self and others.
Has strong moral convictions.
Is highly sensitive, perceptive or insightful.
Fascinated by words or an avid reader.
Feels out-of-sync with others.
Is very curious.
Has an unusual sense of humour.
A good problem solver.
Has a vivid and rich imagination.
Questions rules or authority.
Has unusual ideas or connects seemingly unrelated ideas.
Thrives on challenge.
Learns new things rapidly.
Has a good long-term memory.
Feels overwhelmed by many interests and abilities.
Is very compassionate.
Feels outrage at moral breaches that the rest of the world seems to take for granted.
Has passionate, intense feelings.
Has a great deal of energy.
Can't switch off thinking.
Feels driven by creativity.
Loves ideas and ardent discussion.
Needs periods of contemplation.
Searches for ???? in their life.
Feels a sense of alienation and loneliness.
Is very perceptive.
Feels out of step with others.

© The Gifted Resource Center and Lesley Sword, Ph.D.