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30 May 2008, 3:19 pm

Sign the petition that will be sent to Congress letting them know you want them to start drilling for oil here in the US.
ARTICLE:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

SIGN HERE:
http://www.americansolutions.com/action ... 6a1e096659




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30 May 2008, 3:34 pm

It won't make much of a difference. ANWR is like a 3-month supply, with permanent ecological damage to result. It makes more sense to concentrate on conservation and efficiency.



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30 May 2008, 4:03 pm

AspE you are right about Anwar, but not about the gulf coast portion of the state and shell in Montana. Those two locations alone have more oil than the Persian Gulf



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30 May 2008, 4:14 pm

There is the massive Bakken Oil Formation on the US Canada border
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation



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30 May 2008, 4:16 pm

spudnik wrote:
There is the massive Bakken Oil Formation on the US Canada border
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation


But requires 150-250 dollar oil to be viable on the same scale as the Athabasca Tarsands.



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30 May 2008, 4:18 pm

I'm against it. For the most part the only place that we have left to drill are in protected areas. Besides, if we drill for cheaper oil, then gigantic luxury SUV's will come back into vogue again like they were in the late 1990's when the Asian Financial crisis made gas stupendously cheap.


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30 May 2008, 4:29 pm

Wouldn't this be better placed in PPR?


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30 May 2008, 4:40 pm

That comic... doesn't make any sense. The price of gas has nothing to do with how fast it burns OR pumps. :lol:



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30 May 2008, 4:46 pm

I don't think gas prices are ever going to decline. If they can't find a buyer willing to pay the prices here in the US, they'll ship it overseas to someone willing to pay more.

I think this is more promising:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_cars#Present_and_future

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In the summer of 2003, Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning founded Tesla Motors in San Carlos, California. In 2006 it was announced the production of the Tesla Roadster. The Roadster, the design of which is based on the Lotus Elise, uses Lithium-Ion batteries rather than the lead-acid batteries which had previously been predominant in small-maker BEVs. The vehicle uses 6831 li-ion batteries to travel 245 miles per charge, an equivalent fuel efficiency of 135 mpg (U.S.) (1.74 L/100 km), yet accelerates from 0-60 in under 4 seconds on its way to a top speed of 135 mph (210 km/h). Tesla is set to begin deliveries of Roadsters in early 2008. The company announced that production of the Roadster had officially begun on March 17th. The first Tesla was delivered on February 1, 2008.



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30 May 2008, 5:12 pm

I've already lived through what the countries gestalt is when dealing with energy crunches(the 70's)...we are a world of "give me convenience or give me death...short term memory"...We need to change our relationship to oil consumption not get more oil. That is just a oil lobby agenda and does not serve the interests of the average citizen in US or world. Short term goals for long term problems...leads to the decline of civilizations.


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30 May 2008, 6:53 pm

ev8 wrote:
That comic... doesn't make any sense. The price of gas has nothing to do with how fast it burns OR pumps. :lol:


Ya I looked at that and said the same thing... but thought maby I missed the point of a joke er somethin?


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30 May 2008, 7:30 pm

In case there's somebody who hasn't noticed, the world is going to run out of oil. It's a finite resource. Demand is going through the roof with increasing demand form China and India and there isn't any more oil being produced by nature, not on a relevant scale, anyway.

So let's see. Demand is going up, supply is going down, so prices are increasing. What is this, a surprise?

Kissing the oil companies' butts by letting them get a few more barrels for a little while out of a few protected areas has nothing to do with the problem.

Congress, meanwhile is blaming speculators and ignoring the basic reality of supply and demand. Once you use something up, you don't have it anymore.

Without petroleum, we can't plant and harvest crops. There's probably a few hundred draft horses around, and maybe a couple of horse drawn plow rigs for sale on ebay. Good luck, we aren't going to have any food.

For some reason, nobody seems all that worried.

If putting a man on the moon had the same priority that alternative energy does now, I don't think we would have gotten there yet.


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30 May 2008, 7:35 pm

Lots of people are just not willing to change. Like krex said, "give me convenience or give me death." For instance, if more people were willing to carpool, ride buses and other forms of public transportation, (just to and from work) or bikes, it would cut down on gas and oil consumption. While I hate riding public transportation, I'm glad it's there. I had to give up driving because I just couldn't afford it anymore. Because of being disabled, I can ride the bus for free, and specialized transportation for two dollars each way.


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30 May 2008, 7:43 pm

CanyonWind wrote:
In case there's somebody who hasn't noticed, the world is going to run out of oil. It's a finite resource. Demand is going through the roof with increasing demand form China and India and there isn't any more oil being produced by nature, not on a relevant scale, anyway.

So let's see. Demand is going up, supply is going down, so prices are increasing. What is this, a surprise?

Kissing the oil companies' butts by letting them get a few more barrels for a little while out of a few protected areas has nothing to do with the problem.

Congress, meanwhile is blaming speculators and ignoring the basic reality of supply and demand. Once you use something up, you don't have it anymore.

Without petroleum, we can't plant and harvest crops. There's probably a few hundred draft horses around, and maybe a couple of horse drawn plow rigs for sale on ebay. Good luck, we aren't going to have any food.

For some reason, nobody seems all that worried.

If putting a man on the moon had the same priority that alternative energy does now, I don't think we would have gotten there yet.



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Also want to mention, besides the need for patrolium in agriculture...we have also become dependent on it for many plastics and other "man made" materials. Until the scientist can invent something as effective as plastic in the medical and other uses we currntly need it for, (clay, wood and glass don't make the greatest heart pumps and about another million current uses), we are using a nonrenewable source that we could be saving for the future uses that are more crucial to human survival.


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30 May 2008, 8:44 pm

The doctor that can cure America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

This man has the answer for liek anything... a Chuck Norris politician if you will.



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30 May 2008, 8:54 pm

I think we should stop investing any dollars in improving or maintaining an infrastructure for a finite resource with diminishing returns. Conservation dollars go three times as far as production dollars. Meaningful sources of energy: Geothermal, solar, wind, and water. Anything which we can exhaust is eventually pointless ergo immediately worthless.


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