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31 Dec 2010, 9:16 pm

Do you think your AS attracts negative people or give off a negative energy? I have been looking back at my past experiences with people I have had to deal with growing up today. I have noticed how most of the times I have been attacked, tormented, or mistreated I have been sitting there doing nothing to anyone. I was either reading a book, doing homework, or as an adult working quietly by myself. What is the cause these attacks against me? I could understand when I was younger I was awkward and smaller than my bullies. Now as an adult I am bigger than most people and I believe I hide my awkwardness quite well and still get messed with except now from a distance or from a moving car (The Cowards :P ) How do they pick up my weirdness from a moving car, I do not see other people walking on the same sidewalk as me get cat calls from moving vehicles how do they know that they are NT?

Insane street people seem to pick up on my autsim its the same with mean drunks. Do I give off some type of pheremone or mental energy that causes me to get messed with? When I was in the army and made a squad leader the guys I was put in charge of refused to take orders from me their only reason was they did not like me but when questioned why they could not explain in words why they did not like me. :? I even had the most liberal of teachers who witnessed me getting tormented thought what was being said or done to me absolutely hysterical. When working in groups of other people I always managed to get pushed to the back or I start giving ideas towards what we are doing then it gets ignored. Then a half an hour or so someone would say exactly what I just said and they get the credit for it.

I am the only one experiences these things or is it universally happening with all people with Aspergers? :?


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31 Dec 2010, 9:47 pm

This is my experience too, although I would say it's more in the area of relationships than on the street. Some people are drawn to me as if I am a magnet, they make out I am just so fantastic, but they always turn out to be bullies or creeps. My husband has noticed it too.

I'm sure it's some kind of vibe we give off.

Once I read about someone asking their therapist if they would always attract such people, and they said, yes you will, but you will get quicker and quicker at realising and putting a stop to it. This has turned out to be true for me. I just don't respond to their stupid games or flattery and they give up and go away.

Nice people don't behave like that, and there are some, but they are very hard to get to know when I am covered in prickles :(


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31 Dec 2010, 10:01 pm

Todesking wrote:
Now as an adult I am bigger than most people and I believe I hide my awkwardness quite well and still get messed with except now from a distance or from a moving car (The Cowards :P ) How do they pick up my weirdness from a moving car, I do not see other people walking on the same sidewalk as me get cat calls from moving vehicles how do they know that they are NT?


I get cat calls, taunts, and other crap when I go jogging or ride my bike. Everybody does. You seem convinced it's personal, but I think pedestrians in general get harassed by motorists. I don't mean to invalidate you, and I could be way off, but I don't think you're getting treated any differently than the average person on foot. You said it yourself; they're cowards. Do you also get oncoming motorists that lay on the horn right at the moment they pass you? Do they sometimes go "WOOOO" at the top of their lungs? You get startled, they laugh and keep going. Your appearance might factor into it, but nobody can detect autism in a split second at 40 mph.

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Insane street people seem to pick up on my autsim its the same with mean drunks. Do I give off some type of pheremone or mental energy that causes me to get messed with? When I was in the army and made a squad leader the guys I was put in charge of refused to take orders from me their only reason was they did not like me but when questioned why they could not explain in words why they did not like me. :? I even had the most liberal of teachers who witnessed me getting tormented thought what was being said or done to me absolutely hysterical. When working in groups of other people I always managed to get pushed to the back or I start giving ideas towards what we are doing then it gets ignored. Then a half an hour or so someone would say exactly what I just said and they get the credit for it.


Insane people don't mess with me, but I'm not around them too often. Drunks will mess with me if I give them eye contact then quickly look away, but not often. (It might be how you carry yourself.) The group situation I relate to, but it doesn't happen much anymore. People might not like me, but my ideas are heard. When I get to feeling like the odd man out, or disrespected, I just back off for awhile. I can't tell why this is happening to you, but I wish I could hang out with you and watch it go down. I think you might be reading into a little bit of it.

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I am the only one experiences these things or is it universally happening with all people with Aspergers? :?


Stories just like yours appear in these forums all the time, so you're far from being alone. I don't think it's absolutely universal, but it does seem to come with the territory (being on the spectrum.) A lot of NTs probably get it too. Some people always have their sensor out for who they can mess with next.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:09 pm

Yes, I think I give off some sort of weird vibe. Even when I use the correct words and gestures, people don't open up to my or express an interest in me. I think they can sense that my correct words and gestures aren't natural. Or maybe they can tell I'm not fully comfortable around them.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:31 pm

I've always wondered this. All throughout elementary school, jr. high, and high school, I've been bullied and tormented, for one reason or another. I've come to this conclusion: The neurotypical expel what they cannot understand. When I was in elementary school the other girls would ask me why I wore such boy-ish clothes, and I had no answer. When they asked me why I ate my lunch quietly secluded from other kids, I had no answer. Therefore they had no other choice than to hate it. I even have that problem - hating what I cannot perceive.
Even as adults NT do this. They can't put a "price tag" (so to speak) on someone, therefore they're not normal or weird, therefore it's okay to be disrespectful toward them.
I don't know about the street yelling thing, I mean I get that too but it's mostly because I'm a woman.. :roll:

I think it's best to pity those whom have to turn confusion into anger and hatefulness. Reciprocate their negative energy with positive energy. :)


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31 Dec 2010, 10:35 pm

I think it is not so much a negative as an "awkward energy" because I've met both positive & negative awkward people. But I'd say 99.9% of the people I attract fall under some level or type of awkwardness.


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31 Dec 2010, 10:39 pm

I constantly attract people who are users or bullies.



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31 Dec 2010, 11:04 pm

Peko wrote:
I think it is not so much a negative as an "awkward energy" because I've met both positive & negative awkward people. But I'd say 99.9% of the people I attract fall under some level or type of awkwardness.


You're probably an accepting person.



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31 Dec 2010, 11:54 pm

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I get cat calls, taunts, and other crap when I go jogging or ride my bike. Everybody does. You seem convinced it's personal, but I think pedestrians in general get harassed by motorists.


When I worked at the machine shop we had McDonalds a short walk from our shop so we would walk over there as a group several times. Each time we would go over some idiot would yell crap to me as they drove by it was always a different person. My co-workers always would stand there and say "every time we walk out here you get sh!t yelled at you what the hell are you doing?" They would always say "no one says anything to me when I am on the street." Both of my brothers are also suprised at how much stuff is said to me when on the sidewalk. 8O


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01 Jan 2011, 12:00 am

I've heard these story so many times and I also had situations like these in my past.

Just giving off the 'wrong' vibe gets those who are receptent to this, aware or unaware an urge to act upon it. I can see now why people do this, it mainly has to do how you come across emotionally set to the background of the atmosphere present.
To illustrate by metaphore: a church quire sings in harmony and a person walks up to the quire and starts singing out of rhythm distorting the entire song - the person is disharmonizing and this isn't taken for granted, how severe this is retaliated depends on the social acceptable and the individual states of being people are in. Not everyone retaliates, but the onset of the urge is ever present - it's a reactive action, call it a emotional reflex.

Not everyone even is aware of this reflex, some people don't have that reactive part - autism or not, it's not as strong in all people -->It has to do with the measure of suppression by the neocortex of the emotional reactions (voluntary or involutary) (sorry can't find (a) proper link(s). Try neocortex for rationale, autonomic nervous system for reactive parts, limbic system for emotions and feelings, mirror neurons for empathic ability).

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01 Jan 2011, 12:30 am

Todesking wrote:
When I worked at the machine shop we had McDonalds a short walk from our shop so we would walk over there as a group several times. Each time we would go over some idiot would yell crap to me as they drove by it was always a different person. My co-workers always would stand there and say "every time we walk out here you get sh!t yelled at you what the hell are you doing?" They would always say "no one says anything to me when I am on the street." Both of my brothers are also suprised at how much stuff is said to me when on the sidewalk. 8O


It coulf simply be selective memory or they were forgetting things or being stupid....I mean "joking".

EDIT: EVERYONE gets random people harassing them or being jackasses......due to them being drunk or something. I doubt it's dealing with autism.


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01 Jan 2011, 12:55 am

Todesking wrote:
Do you think your AS attracts negative people or give off a negative energy? I have been looking back at my past experiences with people I have had to deal with growing up today. I have noticed how most of the times I have been attacked, tormented, or mistreated I have been sitting there doing nothing to anyone. I was either reading a book, doing homework, or as an adult working quietly by myself. What is the cause these attacks against me? I could understand when I was younger I was awkward and smaller than my bullies. Now as an adult I am bigger than most people and I believe I hide my awkwardness quite well and still get messed with except now from a distance or from a moving car (The Cowards :P ) How do they pick up my weirdness from a moving car, I do not see other people walking on the same sidewalk as me get cat calls from moving vehicles how do they know that they are NT?

Insane street people seem to pick up on my autsim its the same with mean drunks. Do I give off some type of pheremone or mental energy that causes me to get messed with? When I was in the army and made a squad leader the guys I was put in charge of refused to take orders from me their only reason was they did not like me but when questioned why they could not explain in words why they did not like me. :? I even had the most liberal of teachers who witnessed me getting tormented thought what was being said or done to me absolutely hysterical. When working in groups of other people I always managed to get pushed to the back or I start giving ideas towards what we are doing then it gets ignored. Then a half an hour or so someone would say exactly what I just said and they get the credit for it.

I am the only one experiences these things or is it universally happening with all people with Aspergers? :?


Bear with me here because this is just an analogy.

But I think that when people have been bullied and attacked, it's almost as if it punches holes in our minds or emotions. And then other people see those holes and see someone they can rip open even further. It's like if it was holes in your body, sharks would come because of the blood. Except it's in your mind or emotions. But I don't have a good way to explain it other than an analogy like that.

I used to have the same problem. Still do to a much lesser extent. And I did eventually manage to "patch up most of the holes" so that I'm no longer what a friend once described as "sharkbait".

Also, I never realized it wasn't normal to have everyone and their dog come up to me and try to start either a weird interaction or a destructive interaction. Until I was walking around with a girl I knew and she eventually asked me "Do this many people normally approach you!?!"


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01 Jan 2011, 1:01 am

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Bear with me here because this is just an analogy.

But I think that when people have been bullied and attacked, it's almost as if it punches holes in our minds or emotions. And then other people see those holes and see someone they can rip open even further. It's like if it was holes in your body, sharks would come because of the blood. Except it's in your mind or emotions. But I don't have a good way to explain it other than an analogy like that.

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01 Jan 2011, 7:40 pm

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Todesking wrote:
Do you think your AS attracts negative people or give off a negative energy? I have been looking back at my past experiences with people I have had to deal with growing up today. I have noticed how most of the times I have been attacked, tormented, or mistreated I have been sitting there doing nothing to anyone. I was either reading a book, doing homework, or as an adult working quietly by myself. What is the cause these attacks against me? I could understand when I was younger I was awkward and smaller than my bullies. Now as an adult I am bigger than most people and I believe I hide my awkwardness quite well and still get messed with except now from a distance or from a moving car (The Cowards :P ) How do they pick up my weirdness from a moving car, I do not see other people walking on the same sidewalk as me get cat calls from moving vehicles how do they know that they are NT?

Insane street people seem to pick up on my autsim its the same with mean drunks. Do I give off some type of pheremone or mental energy that causes me to get messed with? When I was in the army and made a squad leader the guys I was put in charge of refused to take orders from me their only reason was they did not like me but when questioned why they could not explain in words why they did not like me. :? I even had the most liberal of teachers who witnessed me getting tormented thought what was being said or done to me absolutely hysterical. When working in groups of other people I always managed to get pushed to the back or I start giving ideas towards what we are doing then it gets ignored. Then a half an hour or so someone would say exactly what I just said and they get the credit for it.

I am the only one experiences these things or is it universally happening with all people with Aspergers? :?


Bear with me here because this is just an analogy.

But I think that when people have been bullied and attacked, it's almost as if it punches holes in our minds or emotions. And then other people see those holes and see someone they can rip open even further. It's like if it was holes in your body, sharks would come because of the blood. Except it's in your mind or emotions. But I don't have a good way to explain it other than an analogy like that.

I used to have the same problem. Still do to a much lesser extent. And I did eventually manage to "patch up most of the holes" so that I'm no longer what a friend once described as "sharkbait".

Also, I never realized it wasn't normal to have everyone and their dog come up to me and try to start either a weird interaction or a destructive interaction. Until I was walking around with a girl I knew and she eventually asked me "Do this many people normally approach you!?!"


Are you both serious? No exaggerating? Random ass people just walk the f**k up to you and start crap in public, is that what you're saying? No, that doesn't happen to me, I can't relate. And if I'm sad or hurt, people stay away from me.



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01 Jan 2011, 8:11 pm

In my experience, I believe that a lot of my difficulties growing up came from taking people at face value, viewing situations literally, and simply being gullible. I truly believed that all people wanted to be honest like I did, that they wanted to always treat others with respect, and that they would never try to trick you. Sometimes, I still fall into these traps, but I have become much more weary of people over time. I still have difficulty believing that someone wouldn't be good at heart and discerning when someone is deliberately attempting to be mean, but at least I rarely get close enough now to fall prey to it often.



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01 Jan 2011, 8:32 pm

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Todesking wrote:
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Are you both serious? No exaggerating? Random ass people just walk the f**k up to you and start crap in public, is that what you're saying? No, that doesn't happen to me, I can't relate. And if I'm sad or hurt, people stay away from me.


I had that sort of thing happen when I was younger (though it doesn't sound like quite as frequently). And when I was feeling depressed it would tend to happen more.

Now, I get left alone now pretty much; not exactly sure why. Part of it seemed to be related to posture. I suspect part of it now is that being physically drained due to health problems makes it harder to look (or feel) as nervous as when I was younger. Maybe "slow responding/slow moving" tends to get seen as more confident or intimidating (like John Wayne in the movies, slow talker / slow mover)?

Anyway, I've definitely had that sort of thing happen from total random strangers, and such that I could tell it wasn't happening the same amount to others -- which was verified when I did a posture change and it started happening a lot less.