Riot Police Raid our home tonight

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each year my christian anarchist community does a non-violent demonstration against our country's involvement in various on going wars and also to remember the lives lost of those who have died.

Below is a link that tells you all about the day and how it ended with the riot police storming our farm.

i hope you find it of interest

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/85631

were u also arestet?

Wow. Brave people! I like this quote: "War does not work; it kills the innocent and destroys our earth."

AMEN!

Non-violent, but still criminal. They damaged property and should of been arrested.

have to give the CWs huge props for this. and at xmas too - they put the rest of us to shame!

were you at base when the raid took place chris? it sounds like they were at the (relatively) civil end of the pig-scale and so hopefully nobody got shook up too bad. still - not nice having your space invaded like that in any case

for purely research purposes.. where didnt they look?

Thanks Dave, SapphoWoman and Batista90.

Just for the record I was Not arrested, but I was naming the dead through a loud speeker whilst my friends were doing their work.

Thez, ok, so we know which side of the fence you stand

Interesting comment there Criss.

I do not believe you actually know on which 'side of the fence' Thez 'stands'.

He merely commented on the destruction of property... I suppose the throwing of red paint.
He never said anything that I saw concerning what his beliefs were on the greater subject here.

You seem quick to categorize people because they make a statement you do not like... not because of their beliefs which you are not privy to.

For all you know, he may be a great supporter of your cause... just not a supporter of vandalism.

The act of vandalism has nothing to do with stopping the wars... it is merely a demonstration of disrespect.

I am not for the wars but I also feel that slopping paint onto property that is not your own is wrong.

First off, I'll state that I'm not a leftist pacifist. However, we should expect our police force to act reasonably and proportionately. We should expect, also, that their action is not politically influenced. Clearly that's not the case in the UK. If someone burgles your property, or smashes your car window, you're unlikely to get a swift reponse. In the case of the latter you more likely won't get any reponse. They prefer smashing the skulls of peaceful demonstrators (as was shown when people protested against the government's ban on hunting), or incarcerating those who upset the mass of bloody foreigners who are now running around the country. Locking-up a bunch Christians who pour paint over a sign is clearly disproportionate. If they'd been Muslims they'd not have been bothered. This incident illustrates why I sometimes refer to HM's constabulary as the Gestapo.

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Oh come now wsmac it is hardly rocket science. Lets not get precious here.

Most people if they saw a transit van filled with explosives heading for a major town or city with only one intention to kill would support taking that out. Disarming as such would be a moral obligation, one has every right to see such thing as violence. However, cars, signs, trucks and planes don't scream and bleed. Children do.

Those who call this violent or criminal, I feel need to look more deeply at the relationship of the state at it's violence.

AS a group we have to be accountable, we have to explore our own anger, and defects of which we have many. But a crime to save life's.......... I feel no, not at all.

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All that because I feel Criss's comment was unwarranted and unfounded, and I feel that slopping paint on someone else's property is wrong?



Umm, Criss... I do not understand what you mean by this.
What's not 'rocket science', and what do you mean by "Lets not get precious here."?

I don't know about the rest of the non-UKers, but I have absolutely no clue what you all are on about.

It was one paragraph that demonstrated that there are degrees of right and wrong, and that police action should reflect that. In other words it should be proportionate. I was also giving some additional context that you, as a person on a different continent, may not be aware of. So, all in all, I think you received good value for money out of those few lines of mine.

Makes a change. Most Yanks aren't even aware there's land east of Maine, so there's usually no additional context given to aid us!

What I see in your post was diatribe against politics and police in the U.K.

My comment was strictly about the paint splashing incident.
Instead of addressing this one issue, you went off with that whole paragraph about the disproportionate actions of the police and all.

If you had just addressed my comment and that one action, I would have taken your reply more seiously.

I have heard plenty about how defenseless people in the U.K. are against criminals and how ineffective the police are....

I was not arguing this issue at all.
Criss made what I saw as a crass comment towards TheZ because that person said...


Criss's reply wasa slight against TheZ... as I see it...


You can certainly rant about all the othe stuff you want, but when you quote me, please try to keep things in proper context.

Whether you like it or not, your comment was set within a thread discussing police action that many would infer was disproportionate. Indeed, your post was preceded by several others that indicated proportionality was an issue. So, my reply to you reflected that. I can't really see why you're making such an issue out of it.

Anyway, as you've so kindly given me your opinion as regards my offending paragraph, may I respectfully suggest learning how to use them yourself?

Blimey! You mean London's not in Ontario?