My brother has 2 go 2 jail -I'm afraid- he's on the spectrum

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06 Jan 2008, 8:56 am

I just found out that my 1/2 brother might have to go to prison for up to 3 years or more and I'm really pretty sure he is on the Autistic Spectrum too. He's never been tested, but has similar symptoms. When I got tested, I think both my mother and him were in denial over the possibility that they could have it too -- as they read the symptoms. Eventually, my mother would tell me that she could have it too --- at least the ADD part anyway. I know my brother has ADHD but I'm pretty sure he has some autistic-like issues as well.

I've been posting about how horrible it is in the prisons with the overcrowding, disease and how it would be good if they could test the inmates for autism, learning disabilities, etc. and maybe they could go to another faciility. I wonder what the prison systems actually do if they find out an inmate really is autistic through proper testing, etc.? like if my 1/2 brother were to go and get a test before-hand, would they still lock them up with the general population? I wonder..... I'm so concerned he could get aids, hepatitis or that resistant TB.

Anyway, I just found out about it all yesterday.. and haven't gotten much sleep.. I guess if a person doesn't go to prison, they end up in probably just as bad a place such as some ward for the criminally insane? God...



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06 Jan 2008, 9:41 am

I gotta know-what was his crime?

Anyways though, I've never done hard time and have always feared it because of my disability.

He can still get charged there for crimes he commits there. Which is where his problems will stem from. If he kills someone upon harrasment to end the threat for instance. If he is approached with gang rape and starts snapping necks as a reflex to end the threat.
If he starts busting knees at hello to avoid having to choose a group.

Or,
There are all those things you said, tb, aids, ect. Shanked.

In the old days we used to have individual cells/cages and things were not so social. They called this inhumane. I call it humane.


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06 Jan 2008, 9:45 am

I don't think Asperger's would preclude someone from prison; higher cognitive functioning and all that.

(I'd prefer a psychiatric setting to the social setting that's prison; I'm not planning to go to either, so that's moot here.)



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06 Jan 2008, 9:56 am

Danielismyname wrote:
I don't think Asperger's would preclude someone from prison; higher cognitive functioning and all that.

(I'd prefer a psychiatric setting to the social setting that's prison; I'm not planning to go to either, so that's moot here.)


In the US, it is basically against the law to treat criminals as criminals! THAT is why they get cable, wieght training, libraries, etc... If someone is autistic, the bar for comfort is changed. Logically, they SHOULD treat him different.

Although I dislike the concept of not treating criminals as criminals, I DON'T disagree that such a difference should be taken into account. I think they should ALL be punished EQUALLY!



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06 Jan 2008, 10:00 am

The charges are for cultivating pot.

He always said pot helps him relax and that it was like his "medicine". He says it helps him relax from all the stress. If he is on the spectrum, as I suspect, then alot of the stress would be because of his disability. I'm not condoning what he did though, but saying that it isn't a violent crime and he will be thrown in with murderers and rapists if he has to go to the general prison population. I guess he knew the risks of what he was doing, but probably has no real concept of prison. I didn't know him all that well, since I left home when he was a young child. I don't like pot personally and only drink on occasion to try and relax socially -- (Drinking usually just makes my symptoms more obvious though.. but anyway...) He always thought pot should be made legal...

What you mentioned.. about possible future crimes in prison, could become a problem. He's been trained extensively in martial arts and probably knows how to break knees and necks and everything else ... He's a fairly strong guy, with fast impulses.. I hope this doesn't cause more trouble for him than protecting him.. He also has a very sensitive, soft soul underneath it all, which concerns me too -- that they will see that in prison and try to take advantage of that.

I wonder if there's some way if he's tested before the trial and all starts, maybe he can be in a mental ward instead of regular prison.. I guess that would be better?? I know he has been seeing a psychiatrist for quite a while now, maybe for a couple of years even... If someone knowingly has some type of condition like this, say being on the autistic spectrum, would they still insist they go to the regular jail population or would they go to some other setting, I wonder?



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06 Jan 2008, 10:32 am

MusicMaker1 wrote:
I wonder if there's some way if he's tested before the trial and all starts, maybe he can be in a mental ward instead of regular prison.. I guess that would be better?? I know he has been seeing a psychiatrist for quite a while now, maybe for a couple of years even... If someone knowingly has some type of condition like this, say being on the autistic spectrum, would they still insist they go to the regular jail population or would they go to some other setting, I wonder?


At the VERY least, send them an "Amicus Curiae" Stating how he has AS, it was a non violent crime, he is naive, senstive, and basically good and you feel that the general population will only make things worse. MAYBE they will lessen the charge and put him in a nicer prison.



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06 Jan 2008, 10:34 am

It will help in court if they can prove he has a conduct disorder... then they will go lightly on him.

I recently faced 6 years in prison for attempted manslaughter (drug related, no violence involved)... but it was a first time offense and i got a good public defender... so depending on what he did and if it was his first crime, they might give him 1-2 years probation or just 6-9 months probation with really good behaviour.

But they tend to go harsher with the time in prison in my area for violent crimes or robbery.


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06 Jan 2008, 10:35 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
I think they should ALL be punished EQUALLY!


Yes, and in this country that means for allowing the opportunity to behave criminally against each other in the jail setting. That is where for the autistic who cannot protect themselves in the unseen social act/react structure; the humanity is absent.

A person in jail should not stop being a citizen because they sit away from society. Who will protect his rights of safety while he is there. Who protects anyones anyhow. Prision is a joke. Likely creates more offenders and victims than it takes in.


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06 Jan 2008, 10:40 am

prisons are now being utilized more as institutions for the mentally ill.

you must see this - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/


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I just found out that my 1/2 brother might have to go to prison for up to 3 years or more and I'm really pretty sure he is on the Autistic Spectrum too. He's never been tested, but has similar symptoms. When I got tested, I think both my mother and him were in denial over the possibility that they could have it too -- as they read the symptoms. Eventually, my mother would tell me that she could have it too --- at least the ADD part anyway. I know my brother has ADHD but I'm pretty sure he has some autistic-like issues as well.

I've been posting about how horrible it is in the prisons with the overcrowding, disease and how it would be good if they could test the inmates for autism, learning disabilities, etc. and maybe they could go to another faciility. I wonder what the prison systems actually do if they find out an inmate really is autistic through proper testing, etc.? like if my 1/2 brother were to go and get a test before-hand, would they still lock them up with the general population? I wonder..... I'm so concerned he could get aids, hepatitis or that resistant TB.

Anyway, I just found out about it all yesterday.. and haven't gotten much sleep.. I guess if a person doesn't go to prison, they end up in probably just as bad a place such as some ward for the criminally insane? God...


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06 Jan 2008, 10:44 am

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2ukenkerl wrote:
I think they should ALL be punished EQUALLY!


Yes, and in this country that means for allowing the opportunity to behave criminally against each other in the jail setting. That is where for the autistic who cannot protect themselves in the unseen social act/react structure; the humanity is absent.

A person in jail should not stop being a citizen because they sit away from society. Who will protect his rights of safety while he is there. Who protects anyones anyhow. Prision is a joke. Likely creates more offenders and victims than it takes in.


People miss the fact that a person in jail should NOT be considered a citizen. They are CRIMINALS, and there to be PUNISHED! If it was to seperate them from society, they would all be there FOR LIFE!! !! !! ! The idea is to make it BAD, and PUNISHMENT, so they DON'T WANT TO GO BACK! Fail to do that, and they WILL be back!

Still, with me, someone staying within two foot of me is almost as bad as someone hitting a normal person. THUS, if they don't allow hitting in prison, they shouldn't allow anyone within two feet of me. THAT is what I am saying. Treat the AS problems as punishment, and mitigate them as you do for others problems.



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06 Jan 2008, 10:48 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
Danielismyname wrote:
I don't think Asperger's would preclude someone from prison; higher cognitive functioning and all that.

(I'd prefer a psychiatric setting to the social setting that's prison; I'm not planning to go to either, so that's moot here.)


In the US, it is basically against the law to treat criminals as criminals! THAT is why they get cable, wieght training, libraries, etc... If someone is autistic, the bar for comfort is changed. Logically, they SHOULD treat him different.

Although I dislike the concept of not treating criminals as criminals, I DON'T disagree that such a difference should be taken into account. I think they should ALL be punished EQUALLY!
You have obviously never been to jail in a city... it isn't no vacation thats for sure... 23 hour lockdown, no outside time, no t.v., 20 mins to eat in a cafeteria for each meal, and 5 mins for a shower (hopefully the water is warm), not to mention the lack of hygiene products they have.

God forbid you tell them you are depressed otherwise they amplify the horrible feeling you have by 10...

Heres what suicide watch is (if you tell them your depressed).

24 hour lockdown, no human contact, meals get slid under the door, 4 white walls, 1 toilet/water fountain, no windows/mirrors, no clothing, 1 blanket (made of a sh***y cardboard fabric), 1 blouse made of the same material as your blanket (it seriously chaffes your skin, and is as flexible as carboard), temperature is around 65 degrees, no hygiene products. That last untill they deem you as happy.

Almost forgot in suicide watch they never shut the bright ass lights off, good luck sleeping when your cold and have bright lights shining all day.


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06 Jan 2008, 11:11 am

soubds like abu ghraib...



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2ukenkerl wrote:
Danielismyname wrote:
I don't think Asperger's would preclude someone from prison; higher cognitive functioning and all that.

(I'd prefer a psychiatric setting to the social setting that's prison; I'm not planning to go to either, so that's moot here.)


In the US, it is basically against the law to treat criminals as criminals! THAT is why they get cable, wieght training, libraries, etc... If someone is autistic, the bar for comfort is changed. Logically, they SHOULD treat him different.

Although I dislike the concept of not treating criminals as criminals, I DON'T disagree that such a difference should be taken into account. I think they should ALL be punished EQUALLY!
You have obviously never been to jail in a city... it isn't no vacation thats for sure... 23 hour lockdown, no outside time, no t.v., 20 mins to eat in a cafeteria for each meal, and 5 mins for a shower (hopefully the water is warm), not to mention the lack of hygiene products they have.

God forbid you tell them you are depressed otherwise they amplify the horrible feeling you have by 10...

Heres what suicide watch is (if you tell them your depressed).

24 hour lockdown, no human contact, meals get slid under the door, 4 white walls, 1 toilet/water fountain, no windows/mirrors, no clothing, 1 blanket (made of a sh***y cardboard fabric), 1 blouse made of the same material as your blanket (it seriously chaffes your skin, and is as flexible as carboard), temperature is around 65 degrees, no hygiene products. That last untill they deem you as happy.

Almost forgot in suicide watch they never shut the bright ass lights off, good luck sleeping when your cold and have bright lights shining all day.


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06 Jan 2008, 11:54 am

If he was caught for growing pot for his own personal use and not selling or trafficking, that is a non-violent crime. His lawyer may be able to work out something with the prosecutor to avoid jail time and instead opt for something like community service or probation along with mandatory attendance at a drug rehab center.


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06 Jan 2008, 12:32 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
...People miss the fact that a person in jail should NOT be considered a citizen. They are CRIMINALS, and there to be PUNISHED!

You miss the point that in modern society, with its plethora of garbage legislation contrived by do-gooders, control freaks and religous cranks, we are nearly all criminals in so far as if we'd been caught we'd be doing time. Most men have either driven a car after having been drinking, or possessed drugs, during their youth, not to mention a whole host of other things that could have potentially seen them in court. Sending a guy to prison for growing pot is absolutely absurd. The US justice system is clearly as crazy as ours in the UK.



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06 Jan 2008, 1:08 pm

SeaBright wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
I think they should ALL be punished EQUALLY!


Yes, and in this country that means for allowing the opportunity to behave criminally against each other in the jail setting. That is where for the autistic who cannot protect themselves in the unseen social act/react structure; the humanity is absent.

A person in jail should not stop being a citizen because they sit away from society. Who will protect his rights of safety while he is there. Who protects anyones anyhow. Prision is a joke. Likely creates more offenders and victims than it takes in.


Prison is no joke.



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06 Jan 2008, 1:34 pm

i want to go to prison, but i dont want to commit a crime!


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