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02 Sep 2011, 12:06 pm

Was just reading this: http://srl2.tripod.com/andrew/asperger.htm

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Autistic spectrum disorders such as Asperger Syndrome occurs in one out of 650 to 1,000 persons. More specifically, Asperger Syndrome occurs in one in ten thousand people.

Really?? So the 1 in 110 (or similar) figure we usually see refers to people on the spectrum, and most of these are not AS?

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02 Sep 2011, 12:09 pm

That's about it.

I'd also hazard to guess that among those who are self-diagnosed, the number of actual AS cases is even smaller - much smaller.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:19 pm

Fnord wrote:

That's about it.

I'd also hazard to guess that among those who are self-diagnosed, the number of actual AS cases is even smaller - much smaller.

So what do you figure the vast majority of people who think they have AS actually have?

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02 Sep 2011, 12:20 pm

Wayne wrote:

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That's about it. I'd also hazard to guess that among those who are self-diagnosed, the number of actual AS cases is even smaller - much smaller.

So what do you figure the vast majority of people who think they have AS actually have?

I can only guess, because it is not for me to diagnose myself or others - that requires a trained mental-health professional.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:24 pm

oceandrop wrote:

Was just reading this: http://srl2.tripod.com/andrew/asperger.htm

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Autistic spectrum disorders such as Asperger Syndrome occurs in one out of 650 to 1,000 persons. More specifically, Asperger Syndrome occurs in one in ten thousand people.

Really?? So the 1 in 110 (or similar) figure we usually see refers to people on the spectrum, and most of these are not AS?

Yep - PDD-NOS is very often diagnosed compared to the other diagnoses - being on the autistic spectrum but not completely matching any set of criteria for diagnosis. It's by far the most common diagnosis on the spectrum. AS is even less commonly diagnosed than classic autism.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

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Fnord wrote:

That's about it. I'd also hazard to guess that among those who are self-diagnosed, the number of actual AS cases is even smaller - much smaller.

So what do you figure the vast majority of people who think they have AS actually have?

I can only guess, because it is not for me to diagnose myself or others - that requires a trained mental-health professional.

And yet you can confidently state that the vast majority of self-diagnosed people are not on the spectrum?

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02 Sep 2011, 12:37 pm

Trust ME to have it then! What are the odds!! !! !! !! !! !!

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02 Sep 2011, 12:41 pm

Wayne wrote:

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Wayne wrote:

Fnord wrote:

That's about it. I'd also hazard to guess that among those who are self-diagnosed, the number of actual AS cases is even smaller - much smaller.

So what do you figure the vast majority of people who think they have AS actually have?

I can only guess, because it is not for me to diagnose myself or others - that requires a trained mental-health professional.

And yet you can confidently state that the vast majority of self-diagnosed people are not on the spectrum?

Which part of "hazard to guess" seems to exude confidence to you? There are just too many other possibilities that could so adversely affect someone's self-perceptions as to make any self-diagnosis woefully inaccurate.

In addition, the lack of a professional diagnosis means a lack of objective evidence. This lack of evidence, while not evidence of lack of an accurate self-diagnosis, is sufficient cause for reasonable doubt in the accuracy of that diagnosis.

Therefore, I have a reasonable doubt in the subjective accuracy of any self-diagnosis.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:44 pm

Fnord wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Fnord wrote:

That's about it. I'd also hazard to guess that among those who are self-diagnosed, the number of actual AS cases is even smaller - much smaller.

So what do you figure the vast majority of people who think they have AS actually have?

I can only guess, because it is not for me to diagnose myself or others - that requires a trained mental-health professional.

And yet you can confidently state that the vast majority of self-diagnosed people are not on the spectrum?

Which part of "hazard to guess" seems to exude confidence to you?

Sorry... I misinterpreted you there.

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There are just too many other possibilities that could adversely affect someone's self-perceptions as to make any self-diagnosis woefully inaccurate.

Such as? I've searched for conditions that could (a) account for all the social, sensory, and cognitive difficulties associated with spectrum conditions and (b) start in very early childhood. So far every single one I've found is a spectrum condition.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:48 pm

Wayne wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Which part of "hazard to guess" seems to exude confidence to you?

Sorry... I misinterpreted you there.

"Misinterpreted" or "Did not read"?

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There are just too many other possibilities that could adversely affect someone's self-perceptions as to make any self-diagnosis woefully inaccurate.

Keep looking. Schizophrenia is one possibility. Clinical depression is another. Both of these adversely affect a person's perceptions and make a reasoned determination of cause based on subjectively-perceived effects difficult, at best.

I have noticed, however, a distinct correlation: People who self-diagnose seem to also have a large degree of belief in the Supernatural and Paranormal - ghosts, hauntings, psychic abilities, et cetera...

I could be wrong, but it just seems that way to me.

(This brings up another correlation: People who self-diagnose rarely, if ever, seem to admit that their diagnosis could be wrong.)

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02 Sep 2011, 12:49 pm

I do not know how accurate this is, but I once read something in a book (about Asperger Syndrome) that said that even though classic autism is more common in that there are CURRENTLY more diagnosed with, there are ACTUALLY more people with Aspergers Syndrome out there. It is just a newer diagnosis, and is only just now starting to be used commonly.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:53 pm

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This may or may not be true. We will never really know until all Aspies receive an official diagnosis by at least one trained mental-health professional.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:54 pm

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This may or may not be true. We will never really know until all Aspies receive an official diagnosis by at least one trained mental-health professional.

Yes, like I said, I do not know the accuracy on this. I do know, though, that the statement was found in a science/psychology-based book written on experts in the field (without giving actual statistics though), so there COULD be at least some validity to their statements.

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02 Sep 2011, 1:01 pm

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This may or may not be true. We will never really know until all Aspies receive an official diagnosis by at least one trained mental-health professional.

But without those statistics you mentioned, an equally valid rebuttal could also be made. This is one of the reasons why I'm pushing for people obtaining an official diagnosis of their suspected conditions - to settle the issue one way or another, and to eliminate false data.

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02 Sep 2011, 1:02 pm

Fnord wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Which part of "hazard to guess" seems to exude confidence to you?

Sorry... I misinterpreted you there.

"Misinterpreted" or "Did not read"?

OK fine "skipped over those three words". Oops.

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=Keep looking. Schizophrenia is one possibility. Clinical depression is another. Both of these adversely affect a person's perceptions and make a reasoned determination of cause based on subjectively-perceived effects difficult, at best.

Neither of those tend to appear during early childhood. I'm guess your point is less that these things mimic spectrum conditions and more that those conditions make it hard for people to have the slightest clue what is going on with them? Hmmm... could it cause people to see specific signs of AS in themselves where they don't exist? That possibility hadn't occurred to me.

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(This brings up another correlation: People who self-diagnose rarely, if ever, seem to admit that their diagnosis could be wrong.)

I'll classify myself as "convinced beyond a reasonable doubt".

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02 Sep 2011, 1:04 pm

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This may or may not be true. We will never really know until all Aspies receive an official diagnosis by at least one trained mental-health professional.

And that won't happen as long as the cost remains high and the practical payoff (in terms of treatment possibilities) remains low.

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