Vaccines are ineffective and dangerous

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I edited this to remove some nonsense I originally wrote. Vaccines seem to work 70-80% of the time. I originally wrote they were ineffective because they don't work 100% of the time like I thought. There's evidence of potential serious long-term risks that need to be more fully studied before they are considered conclusively proven.

Here's an alleged quote from the former Chief Vaccine Control Officer of the US Food and Drug Administration:

Are vaccines effective?

Drug companies pointed to the decline in infectious diseases since vaccines were introduced as proof they were "preventing" these diseases. Did these diseases already decline by 90% before the vaccines were introduced?

From the Soil and Health Library:










Are vaccines safe?







Note: Quotes from an anti-vaccine website. They might be inaccurate.
Source: http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web3.html
I don't know what to believe. Maybe there's some truth to it.

Last edited by zendell on 10 Jan 2008, 9:10 pm, edited 6 times in total.

Please, spare us! Vaccines DO NOT cause autism. Allthough some vaccines contain up to 50% mercury, most people take no harm from this, apart from a few side effects. One has to be born with autism; you can't get it from a vaccine injection, head trauma or anything like that. Face the facts!

Most people also agree that mercury do not cause autism. Even if it did, kids who got vaccined would probably get Minamata disease before they got autistic symptoms.

Jeeze... I am having a very hard time accepting those quotes as fact simply because while their is a slight possibility vaccines can cause health problems such diseases that plagued us in the past have been whiped out or has not been seen at all hardly as a result of these vaccines.

I beleive vaccines keep society safe from epidemics and build up immunity in general. I also think that while autism is genetic, certain environmental factors can bring it about, or cause it to be more severe, just my thoughts...

I agree with Zendells post. Some good quotes there.

It's not so much the mercury etc in them that seems to be the problem but the inflammation/auto destruction in the nervous system tissue, incl brain, occurring as a result of the immune system reaction to introduction of vaccine material. Hypothesised anyway.

Most of the worst illnesses were already disappearing before vaccinations became widespread, as a result of better hygiene etc. Instead of doctors walking from one woman giving birth to another without washing their hands, and people drinking water from rivers into which peoples waste flowed, etc, measures of hygiene were introduced which cut bacterial infection rates dramatically.

Immunity is built up by healthy diet, exercise, sunlight, and happiness.

Last edited by ouinon on 05 Jan 2008, 4:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Please read the end of my post with the chart and the text below. The diseases that plagued us in the past had already declined by over 90% BEFORE the vaccines were introduced and would have continued declining without vaccines.

I didn't say in my post that vaccines cause autism. My point is that vaccines aren't worth the risk because they don't work and they have serious risks.

This is making me wonder about dogs. The vaccines offered to them nowadays are full of a lot more stuff. Are there more problems with reactions involving dogs lately?

I don't know what in the vaccines causes these problems. All I know is important people are going out on a limb to speak out against these vaccines knowing they will be ridiculed for it. They must feel it is worth it to warn people about vaccines to discourage us from using them.

Oh for Gaia's sake people.....

When was the LAST time you heard about a smallpox epidemic??

WTF???

idk about all this but let me tell you a story.

I don't know the exact details, but some religiongs forbid vaccines. which was np, everything went fine. then a disease, idk which but a bad one, came and everyone who had a vaccination didnt get sick many and who didn't get a vaccination were fine as well because they were in the safe enviroment. (everyone around him was immune and killed the virus)

BUT

someone at a christian boarding school got sick as well, and within days the whole school was sick. very sick. I dont know if anyone died, but they could have that's for sure

THANK YOU.

That is all.




Ok, not really...


Why won't people listen? The very people who make these things tell you they aren't good, yet you still blindly follow?

Hygiene and sanitation have had the biggest impact out of anything. Most vaccines are introduced at a time when the diseases are declining naturally anyway, which then gets pinned on the vaccine itself. It simply isn't true.

Also, stop going on about mercury in vaccines - I'm anti-vaccine but it isn't just the mercury; it's the pro-vaccine crowd who tend to go on about that more than anyone. There's more to the vaccine debate than mercury and autism!!

Just look at the key ingredients, and think what they do to you. Would you swallow any of these (bar the animal tissues, though you don't eat them in this form)? No. So why inject them instead, and not give your body the chance to reject them as it normally would (by vomiting etc)?

- Formeldehyde (embalming fluid)
- Aluminium
- Thimerosal (mercury derivative; 50% mercury)
- Ethylene Glycol (anti-freeze)
- Aborted fetal cells
- Animal tissues/cultures

No, I'd hope not.



Another one of interest: The head of vaccines at Merck Pharmaceuticals, talking about the problems they've had with them and the various viruses and diseases their vaccines have been infected with and they've given to people:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU[/youtube]


EDIT: Ignore the amateurish editing of the video and watch it for what it is; just listen to what he has to say.

Last edited by LeKiwi on 05 Jan 2008, 5:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

we DO listen. but we DONT agree

I personally find your conspiracy theory agenda pretty annoying, zendell

The net is full of forums for conspiracies, why not post there ?
And btw it has nothing to do with autism so why even posting it in general autism discussion - pls don't start with vaccines cause autism

Well, nobody's forcing you to read the thread, just ignore it if you don't like it!!

oh and btw thank you that you are concerend. thanks alot, people should be more concerned about other's. and you have some nice arguments. but have you compared them to the arguments, and statistics of those who are for vaccinasions? have you done research yourself? how do you know that what they say is really true?

I know vaccinations work, I have seen some people get sick while everyone else did not. it turned out they didnt have vaccinations and we did. I can believe you, but I need proof. deeds not words

Thanks, Rossi. I'm a little worried that the OP did this in response to my post refuting these theories (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt52944.html). I don't even know where to begin; so many quotes are taken out of context and used to support falsehoods.

'Tis hard to say if greater want of skill
Appear in writing or in judging ill;
But, of the two less dang'rous is th' offence
To tire our patience than mislead our sense.
Alexander Pope--Essay on Criticism

Your post at http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt52944.html didn't refute anything. It just mocked those who oppose vaccines as conspiracy nuts and compared those who oppose vaccines to "Moon Hoax purveyors, the Mars Facers, the UFO proponents, and cosmic doomcriers" which is nothing more than a personal attack against those who oppose vaccines especially since you provided no evidence to support your position against us. That is why I decided to post this information so people know this isn't some conspiracy theory but is backed up by scientific studies and supported by scientists, doctors, and researchers.

Last edited by zendell on 05 Jan 2008, 6:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.