More: No link whatsoever between vaccines and autism
An excellent detailed explanation of how the myth of mercury/vaccines/cause autism started.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=14
This is the last part, but please read the whole thing. We are still being bombarded with messages that originate from antivax extremists and law firms out to make a killing on suing vaccine manufacturers and the gov't. It's bunk. They lie and they threaten people who talk back to them. Literally.
In other words, it’s all about obtaining compensation for nonexistent “vaccine injury” and “biomedical treatments” for this injury. Never mind that these “treatments” are neither scientifically plausible nor have convincing evidence in the form of well-designed clinical trials to support their efficacy in ameliorating the cognitive delays observed in autistic children. Unfortunately, parents who love their autistic children and desperately want to do something to “make them better” are fertile ground for the blandishments of proponents of these implausible and unproven “therapies.” Some of these treatments, such as chelation therapy, which, it is claimed, will remove the mercury that, according to proponents of the thimerosal hypothesis, is the root cause of autism, have developed into veritable cottage industries that prey on desperate parents. It has even progressed to the point where the Geiers can convince some parents that most autistic children exhibit signs of “precocious puberty” and that the elevated testosterone in such children forms “sheets” that bind mercury and prevent it from being chelated properly. As hard as it is to believe, they then use that claim as a justification for using powerful anti-androgenic drugs such as Lupron on autistic children to treat their autism.
Vaccination is arguably the most effective single public health intervention ever developed. As recently as 50 years ago, for example, our parents and grandparents lived in deathly fear of diseases like polio, which is virtually a thing of the past. Because they are preventative in nature and administered to a very large population of healthy people, vaccines have a very high hurdle to jump as far as safety is concerned, because when an intervention is performed on millions of otherwise healthy people, even a low rate of complications can result in large numbers of injured people. Modern vaccines have achieved that level of safety. Are they completely safe? Nothing in medicine is absolutely, 100% safe. In comparison to the risk of the diseases they prevent and by any reasonable standard, the risks due modern vaccines are extremely low. Moreover, the claims of proponents of an increasingly untenable hypothesis to the contrary, there is no convincing evidence that thimerosal-containing vaccines, or vaccines in general, have anything to do with the etiology of autism. Whatever tiny risk there may be from childhood vaccines, autism and ASDs are not among them. Indeed, even before this study by Schechter and Grether, under the onslaught of studies that all fail to find a link between thimerosal and autism, even David Kirby and those more zealous than him were starting to back away from the hypothesis, invoking hand-waving and vague “environmental toxins” or even going so far as to blame mercury from pollution wafting over from China or, even more ludicrously, mercury from the cremation of bodies with mercury amalgam dental fillings. Meanwhile, in the wake of this study, Mark Blaxill is retreating to saying that “the epidemiological analysis doesn’t prove that thimerosal exposure cannot cause individual cases of autism” and blaming vaccines in general for autism (while also not being able to wait for the embargo to try to put his spin on the matter, by the way).
This study is clearly but one more nail in the coffin of this dying hypothesis. Unfortunately, like Jason in the Friday the 13th movies, the hypothesis that mercury in vaccines is a major cause of autism just refuses to die, no matter how many studies fail to find even a wisp of a link between the two. Just when you think it’s finally, really dead, it has an unpleasant way of being resurrected. That’s why it is not difficult to predict that the usual suspects will refuse to believe it, just as they have refused to believe the studies preceding it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/hl_ ... tions_dc_1
1 hour, 32 minutes ago
CHICAGO (Reuters) - A new study provides more proof that childhood vaccines with mercury as a preservative -- no longer on the market -- did not cause autism, researchers reported on Monday.
The findings came from a look at children diagnosed with autism in California from 1995 to 2007. It found that the number of autism cases continued to rise through that period even though the preservative thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury -- was removed from most vaccines in 2001.
The data "do not show any recent decrease in autism in California despite the exclusion of more than trace levels of thimerosal from nearly all childhood vaccines (and) do not support the hypothesis that that exposure (to it) during childhood is a primary cause of autism," the study concluded.
Another article (Wall Street Journal) here
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1199739 ... lenews_wsj
While Rick Rollens (known teller of falsehoods about autism) sent out a message referring to this study in the Archives of General Psychiatry as a study from the Journal of the American Medical Association [edit: the Archives of General Psych is published by JAMA so Rollens wasn't as wrong about the journal's name as I thought he was http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/) and blamed/implied that all vaccine ingredients surely must cause autism. This is because he's a died in the wool conspiracy theorist/antivaxer even though he tries to pretend that he's not.
http://csicop.org/si/2007-06/novella.html
This one includes a great graphic.
Even an NBC station.
I haven't checked to see Autism Speaks' spin on it. They don't want to offend any of their litigant supporters/members, so they may just ignore it.
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I know from personal experience the dangers of NOT vaccinating. My mother, in the 50's when she was a teenager, caught Polio, spent a year inside an iron lung and the rest of her life in a wheelchair... See www.britishpolio.org.uk
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No link between vaccines and autism. Period.
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Again, it's the combination of everything in the vaccines and the cumulative effect that worries me, not just the thimerosal.
When will the pro-mercury people begin to understand that the majority of anti-vaccine people are both well read on the matter, and aren't just banging on about thimerosal, and certainly not thimerosal in isolation?!
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And doctors are now telling us keeping babies out of the dirt, and bathing them regularly results in them having asthma and allergies. I hope, no one will advocate not washing one's hands based on that??
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No, though I do think the use of anti-bacterial everything isn't particularly good, and wrapping kids in cotton wool and not letting them play outside does much good... kids are kids, they need a few grubs to keep the immune system active and strong. I don't think it's saying don't wash your hands, just let them have a bit of fun and don't stress when they come in with filthy hands and faces and clothes covered in mud.
(I do have things I'd like to say about the ingredients in a lot of standard products used in kids' baths though... plenty are known to make eczema and asthma bad. Switch to a natural one with no SLS, parabens, glycols, or petro-chemicals and see the change in your skin, it's amazing ).
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I stopped washing my hands as much ever since I read about that a few months ago. Some researchers believe chicken pox, measles, and other infections may improve the immune system to prevent asthma and allergies and feel that vaccines, which prevent a full immune response to these infections, may result in asthma, allergies, and other chronic health problems.
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Actually I'll break ranks with the Dad Cartel and tell a secret.... about 80% of us just strip the kids cloths off, rub some bacon fat on them and have the dog lick 'em clean.... it's fast, efficient and the dogs and kids love it.
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OK in all seriousness, washing your hands is the number ONE defense against, e. coli from intestinal sources, norovirus, and the flu bug.... And you don't have to take any shots or drugs... just wash your hands.
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OK in all seriousness, washing your hands is the number ONE defense against, e. coli from intestinal sources, norovirus, and the flu bug.... And you don't have to take any shots or drugs... just wash your hands.
And the latest bugaboo around here, multiply-resistant S. aureus, popularly known as "the flesh-eating bug". Wash your hands with a good soap for at least 20 seconds, and minimize your chances of contracting it...
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Actually I'll break ranks with the Dad Cartel and tell a secret.... about 80% of us just strip the kids cloths off, rub some bacon fat on them and have the dog lick 'em clean.... it's fast, efficient and the dogs and kids love it.
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That would be amazing!!
Agree though; washing your hands is so important if you want to stop yourself getting sick. All you need is normal soap anyway, nothing fancy... just make sure you wash them properly for 30secs then dry them for 30secs. Just think of how many times you touch your face during the day, or rub your eyes, or put something in your mouth, or if you're a girl possibly use a pot lipgloss... then think of where those hands have been and what else has touched what those hands have touched... yummy!!
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OK in all seriousness, washing your hands is the number ONE defense against, e. coli from intestinal sources, norovirus, and the flu bug.... And you don't have to take any shots or drugs... just wash your hands.
Some researchers believe that getting the flu and other infections help build up our immune systems which reduces our chances of getting chronic diseases. Vaccines, which result in a partial immune response, don't provide the same benefit as getting the infections. For example, I read that children who get measles reduce their chances of getting allergies by 50%. Take a measles vaccine and you are twice as likely to get allergies due to not getting the benefit of a full immune response. This is one explanation of how vaccines may increase the likelihood of getting autoimmune disorders and other chronic health problems.
I stopped washing my hands as much ever since I read about that a few months ago. Some researchers believe chicken pox, measles, and other infections may improve the immune system to prevent asthma and allergies and feel that vaccines, which prevent a full immune response to these infections, may result in asthma, allergies, and other chronic health problems.
One thing that the wild type measles virus specializes in is overwhelming the immune system and allowing other also dangerous germs to attack the body. People die this way. I don't think a measles infection is a particularly good way of "improving" the immune system, though being vaccinated for measles can give your body a fighting chance against the wild type measles.
You've been reading the crackpot antivax stuff. There's no link between vaccines and autism, period. If there was then it would have been noticed 50 years ago, right? uhuh. You can prevent some cases of autism with vaccines, though.
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Yeah, I'm a bit dubious about that one... flu is pretty awful too (I should know, I've had it twice in the last few months and my body is still getting over it!), and measles is a killer.
I'm not keen on the measles vaccine and my kids won't be getting it, but I wouldn't go so far as to say getting it will improve a child's immunity.
Could possibly be true for certain lesser viruses (of the sort that give you a runny nose and sore throat for a couple of days and that's it), but more serious ones generally bring your system's defenses down and it can take a while for it to be back and running at full speed, so to speak.
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Not getting MMR increases autism risk, as rubella is a known, proven cause of autism.
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