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From the Guardian of London

As the philosopher Karl Popper argued, the hallmark of scientific theorising is that it can be falsified by new evidence. After all, understanding only advances when people learn from their mistakes. Even before today, it was abundantly clear that the once-postulated link between the combined vaccination for mumps, measles and rubella (the MMR jab) on one hand, and autism on the other, could not be sustained. Paper after paper had concluded that the jab was safe. Few scientists needed any more persuasion, but for any who still harboured lingering doubts, the publication this morning of the largest ever study on the subject should finally lay these to rest.
If MMR really was causing autism in some children, this unlucky minority might have been expected to have fallen victim to some peculiar reaction. But the authors followed more than 200 children who had been given the jab and found no sign of difference in the levels of viruses or antibodies between autistic children and others. So the evidence is now clearer than ever that the causal link does not exist. The reality, however, is that this may not alter the views of some who still insist MMR is a threat, for their thinking was never scientific and so is not amenable to the developing facts.
There are those who are instinctively hostile to technology, who always want to believe that modern medicine will do harm. Then there are those who want to believe that the state is a pernicious conspiracy, bent on endangering children. Last, but not least, are those with a vested interest in continuing to spread the mistrust. Dr Andrew Wakefield led the original research postulating the link, and he is currently before the General Medical Council on various charges, some relating to whether his work has been financed in ways that could have compromised his objectivity. Whether that charge is upheld or not, it is already clear that much of the media has stoked up unfounded fears on the irresponsibly selfish grounds that sensationalism sells.
Humans have always harboured irrational beliefs, often harmlessly enough. No one would suggest banning horoscopes. Sometimes, however, groundless fears, in particular, can do real damage. The decade-long panic over MMR has had this effect. .... But more serious than the fear was its practical consequence - one child in five was denied vaccinations they needed, some of whom became ill. The MMR-autism debate is no longer a live question of science. Those still arguing otherwise must understand that it has become a question of conscience instead.

Apparently the proportion of children being given the jab is slowly rising again.

There is a feature about this topic in Yahoo News right now. Here are some selected phrases:

Autism is two to four times more likely in boys than girls, and most people with autism are mentally challenged to some degree.
http://health.lifestyle.yahoo.ca/condit ... ease_id=15


RE: if there is no mercury link to autism, explain please why autistic kids test to high levels of mercury and other heavy metals in their system? and why does mercury detox have such profound effects on them? Maybe they were exposed to Mercury in utero?
POSTED BY: writing.diva on WED, FEB 06, 2008 07:22 PM -0500

The problem isn't the combination of the three vaccines together, the problem is the mercury based thimersol that they used to preserve the vaccine. Heavy metal poisoning is one of the main causes of autism (in all it's forms). Look at the thimersol in your next flu vaccine as well. Look at plastic bottles that people put in their microwaves. Look at lead based paint on toys. People are poisoning their kids without being made aware all to make a buck for big business.
POSTED BY: s_allene on WED, FEB 06, 2008 07:20 PM -0500

Thats a strange phrase. It's like they're trying to be PC but now nobody knows what they actually mean. Do they mean lower than average IQ?

The studies were of poor quality. Studies of similar quality have found evidence that autism is clearly not caused by genetics. Its interesting how people will accept studies that support their view (like no link between autism and vaccines) and reject similar quality studies that don't agree with them (like the environmental causes of autism).

Show me one study regarding autism and vaccines that had a control group where they compared autism rates among vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. A control group is pretty basic and important to provide any meaningful information. I bet no one here can find any.

I kind of wondered what they meant, but it seems like a really offensive phrase to use, especially for an official Yahoo page. In my experience 'mentally challenged' means ret*d.

At least 'ret*d' can kind of mean 'developmentally delayed', although it might be better to say that because ret*d is also an insult. If they were being factual and meant developmentally delayed, then factually they could well be right, although I don't have the exact statistics.

"The studies were of poor quality. Studies of similar quality" allegedly support your view. You just destroyed your own argument. You have done exactly what you are currently accusing others of doing, namely ignoring evidence contradictory to your views.

After reading and reading and reading of many Autism/AS-related contradicted articles I am now not sure if autism is genetic ....it might be just a personality/environmental-caused disorder and we are all living an illusion.

After reading this and reading that and watching these recovery videos , I started doubting about everything.
LFA can be probably genetic since we can obviously observe the severe symptoms of this condition...but it might just be mental retardation with shyness character,who knows?

As for AS/HFA , I am not sure anymore about these 2 conditions anymore .....these conditions are only diagnosed by psychiatries . You know what? in my opinion , psychiatry is a pseudo-science ...I don't really believe in this branch of profession as real science. For example , it's 100% sure that Schizophrenia is JUST a pseudo-scientific psychiatric diagnoses , its concept is scientifically meaningless. It groups together a whole range of different problems under one label; it also assumes that there's a clear dividing line between those of us who are sane and those of us who are mad, and recent research has shown that both these assumptions are false! In at least 50%, possibly two thirds of cases, Schizophrenic patients had suffered major traumatic life events in childhood!
And so far.....so far...AS/HFA is the same case!

I want to see real scientific evidences for the AS/HFA diagnoses , that proves that HFA is biological : brain scans , blood tests,DNA tests...something tangible ,like in the case of Down's Syndrome, Diabetes...etc. NOt just some psychiatric assessment and quizzes and BS!

I am diagnosed as HFA (not self-dxed!) but still I am starting even to doubt about myself and the nature of my 'difference':
-Yes, I had a speech delay till age 5 and difficult language development till age 10 but it might be just a speech delay.
-Yes, I have poor eye contact but I might be just so shy with people
-I wasn't used to respond to my first name when i was 2-4 years old but I might just be a stupid kid then.
-I have very weak empathy toward others...but I might just be a jerk.
-I am obsessive but so many NTs can be obsessive (ie. Facebook fans)
-I was always a loner but I might just have some Schizoid personality disorder for a some reason, maybe because the war then? maybe because my shortness? maybe because of my Abdominal migraine(which is a real brain disorder that can be seen in scans)? I am not sure anymore.

No one knows sh*** , and everyone who claims here that HFA/AS is 100% surely organic is lying to others and to himself!! Where are the f- proofs?
There's no proof that we are born biologically 'different' than others . Hell , if you look at the symptoms list of HFA/AS , they are all personality traits that everyone in the word has at least 2 or 3 of them , the AS in is much worse than HFA's list in this case since Speech delay is rare among people....but still none of the symptoms are really organic like in Down Syndrome and William syndrome where you can obviously see the abnormal physical/facial traits and even the unusual set of chromosomes!

So my dears , my whole point is: that WE (yes,me and you) might just be psychologically disturbed ,extremly shy or loser weirdos or low self-esteemed people that we are in denial about their true personality and labeled with a pseudo-scientific label!

For now, I won't tell anyone in the world IRL (coworkers, friends...etc) about my HFA dx and what I know about it till the day when a real scientific test proves that the very existence of HFA/AS (maybe won't never happen if it's just a psychiatric lie ) as a brain condition , otherwise I ll keep my mouth shut up. They think that I am just extremly shy and extremly socially awkward person with some weirdo habits (maybe they are right).

As for you my dear users , you should stop using the AS/HFA label as equivalent of 'different kind' of humans since there's nothing scientific that prove the organic existence of these labels.


I believed for many years before that being 'muslim' was something different...a title blessed by God , this is how I was raised , this is how I was taught , till i found out that all religions are just BS myths and Islam in specific is a bloody madman's creation BS inspired by a mad Arabic pagan religion and others . What proves that I am not living a similar delusional illusion now with the autistic label? nothing.

Ok , I am confused....

A lot of troops got vaccines for a lot of things before being sent to the Middle East. There were a lot of reports of adverse reactions., no mention of mercury but a lot of discussion about how poisonous various vaccines can be. I wonder why mercury is the big focus about casing autism.

Mercury is all over the place. People around Mt. St, Helens breathed in and ingested plenty of mercury when the mercury laden ash spewed out all over the place. You'd think that Portland would have been ground zero for new autism cases after that volcano blew but it's not.,