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14 Mar 2008, 7:07 am

All you need is the degree proving you took the exams and passed them and therefore know your stuff. If only there was an option where you can take the exams, without being forced to take the classes. That way we could learn on our own if we want without ever having to go to classes, or attend classes but not have to pay for them in advance just to be allowed entrance to them. It's true that there are thousands of students in one class in lots of schools, but is it easy to sneak in and attend lectures and pretend to be a student, but not have to feel committed to it and pressured to do homework or do well or meet deadlines, because you're registered, or because you or someone else PAID for you to go?


Being forced to take classes is also stupid because you have to learn at THEIR pace. If you're too slow, you're screwed. If you're too fast and drop out because sitting through easy things you already know, or hearing them going over and over and over something you already KNOW, for Christ's sake... you're also screwed. Too bad for you, you're not NT.



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14 Mar 2008, 8:03 am

Oh wow.

Yes.some times i'm good at things like science,yet i'm obscenely bad a math.no-one speeds up or slows down for me.


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14 Mar 2008, 9:22 am

I have always thought school was a waste of time for me. I didnt learn very much there and think I learned more alone by watching the discovery channel. :)



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14 Mar 2008, 10:54 am

i learned some good thinks in basic skool...and now i need it more when studying as car reptairer...though its tiring :lol:


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14 Mar 2008, 11:13 am

Waste of my time; all it did was hurt me.

I learnt far more about things and myself that are pertinent to my life and me by staring off into oblivion than what any textbook or teacher told me. All they teach you at school is to obey, and to do exactly as they say for it's their way or walking down that old highway as they think they control this unwritten play as how well you obey dictates your pay.



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14 Mar 2008, 11:27 am

I have two reasons for hating school. First i hate picking between the right answer and a good grade, i run into this problem on every single biology exam. They use old books and teachers that have no idea what they are talking about, i have no idea how they received a masters or phd.
The second problem is with math, i can't do math the way they want me to. I have a memory problem that makes it nearly impossible to memorize the methods and rules for their problems. I can do math just fine, it just needs to be a real problem not some random numbers and symbols on a piece of paper. Can't do most of it, too good at the rest. Not to mention it is all for a piece of paper to hang on a wall somewhere. :roll:



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14 Mar 2008, 11:45 am

School good. School teach people much things. Any institution can be "bad" if it's run improperly. I disagree entirely with what you have said.

Some people just aren't cut out for academic education. They can quit at 16/18, once they've at least been given some form of basic education.

Also, some people need to be lead. How would you know where to study? It is better to have a teacher to guide you. Also, jobs and babysitting.

School not stupid. You don't like school, that's all.


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14 Mar 2008, 11:56 am

I dislike school if it is purely about learning stuff, I'll never need anymore! And if it is full of ret*d fscktards, who think it's fun to ridicule you! And if it's at 8 am in the morning and I have to get up at 6 am. This is one big "WHY?" to me. In other countries, I know of, school starts later. Also I hate not having time to disappear somewhere and have some silence around me (and if I did and get caught, getting punished). And having to ask before you are allowed to go to the toilet. And getting bad marks if you do not agree with the teacher in certain issues and write it in tests. Oh tests in general! Why should your future depend on how well you did in 3 4 hour-interval and one 30 minute interval at the age of 18 (I am referring to the Abitur here)? What is the point?!

I'd prefer if certain things wouldn't be mandatory (literature! PE!) and instead of tests, projects over several weeks or the entire semester would be graded.


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14 Mar 2008, 12:03 pm

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I dislike school if it is purely about learning stuff, I'll never need anymore! And if it is full of ret*d fscktards, who think it's fun to ridicule you! And if it's at 8 am in the morning and I have to get up at 6 am. This is one big "WHY?" to me. In other countries, I know of, school starts later. Also I hate not having time to disappear somewhere and have some silence around me (and if I did and get caught, getting punished). And having to ask before you are allowed to go to the toilet. And getting bad marks if you do not agree with the teacher in certain issues and write it in tests. Oh tests in general! Why should your future depend on how well you did in 3 4 hour-interval and one 30 minute interval at the age of 18 (I am referring to the Abitur here)? What is the point?!

I'd prefer if certain things wouldn't be mandatory (literature! PE!) and instead of tests, projects over several weeks or the entire semester would be graded.
I know; I feel like you do. :)


Anubis, I did have some fun in school and learned lots in my favorite class, world issues, but due to MANDATORY subjects that I couldn't keep up with alongside the demanding world issues course, guess what I had to drop? World issues! :(



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14 Mar 2008, 12:09 pm

Then you are wrong to call school stupid. It is in fact the school administration, whoever is responsible for the curriculum who should be held to account. Some subjects should be mandatory during compulsory school, however.


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14 Mar 2008, 12:15 pm

Anubis wrote:
Also, some people need to be lead. How would you know where to study? It is better to have a teacher to guide you. Also, jobs and babysitting.

School not stupid. You don't like school, that's all.


They need to be helped learning but I doubt that they need to be babysitted after a certain age. Maybe I am just rather independent but I would have preferred that after the elementary school, one would have more choice to do things in one's own way. I am for example not able to function well in the morning, I never was a morning person and I would have learned much more by reading things in the afternoon than by sitting in class the entire morning. I do not see the point of rote learning a lot of facts and spewing them out at exam time (and forgetting them instantaneously after that). I just think it has no purpose.

But then - maybe some people - when given the choice wouldn't learn but only play around, but IMHO this should be an issue of the parents as well as of the teachers.

@Ana54: I so understand you. I couldn't go to an optional C course because it conflicted with some lectures, I wasn't even interested in.


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14 Mar 2008, 1:09 pm

Ana54 wrote:
All you need is the degree proving you took the exams and passed them and therefore know your stuff. If only there was an option where you can take the exams, without being forced to take the classes. That way we could learn on our own if we want without ever having to go to classes, or attend classes but not have to pay for them in advance just to be allowed entrance to them. It's true that there are thousands of students in one class in lots of schools, but is it easy to sneak in and attend lectures and pretend to be a student, but not have to feel committed to it and pressured to do homework or do well or meet deadlines, because you're registered, or because you or someone else PAID for you to go?


Being forced to take classes is also stupid because you have to learn at THEIR pace. If you're too slow, you're screwed. If you're too fast and drop out because sitting through easy things you already know, or hearing them going over and over and over something you already KNOW, for Christ's sake... you're also screwed. Too bad for you, you're not NT.
You can take online courses, and you can pay $200 for a course with booklets so you don't have to go into class. I know that some of my friends have really benfited from that, because they don't need one-on-one help like I do. They can just learn by reading the stuff.



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14 Mar 2008, 1:21 pm

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You can take online courses, and you can pay $200 for a course with booklets so you don't have to go into class. I know that some of my friends have really benfited from that, because they don't need one-on-one help like I do. They can just learn by reading the stuff.


Too bad the only online school in Germany was founded quite recently, I'd so have profitted from that!


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14 Mar 2008, 1:36 pm

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ebec11 wrote:
You can take online courses, and you can pay $200 for a course with booklets so you don't have to go into class. I know that some of my friends have really benfited from that, because they don't need one-on-one help like I do. They can just learn by reading the stuff.


Too bad the only online school in Germany was founded quite recently, I'd so have profitted from that!


Wow; now that's TWO things Germany isn't ahead in! Washing their butts after they poop and now I hear they're not ahead in this either! Makes me feel less afraid of them. :D



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14 Mar 2008, 2:29 pm

WOW ANA! I agree 100%! I am INSULTED by people thinking I learned things in college. Apparently a number of them aren't even "taught"! When I looked for some classes, they didn't even have the subject! BTW I mean little OBSCURE things like UNIX and C!

For those that don't know.... MOST of the internet runs on UNIX and UNIX, MSDOS, WINDOWS, WORD, most of JAVA, most variants of COBOL and pascal, and MILLIONS of other programs are written in C.

HECK, the first person to teach C, UNIX, COBOL, etc... at college had to learn it HIMSELF!! !! !! I wonder if they end up getting an honorary degree from the college, or having to take a class from one of their students because they aren't qualified to teach because they never took it in college! 8O :lol:



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14 Mar 2008, 9:51 pm

I dislike school, and I'll be the first to admit that. However, I see it as a fairly necessary evil. I'm not going to learn what I'm not interested in outside of being forced to learn it through tests and homework and lectures. And yeah, I'd be fine with that, but in the end, it's better that I do know some of that stuff; some of it has helped me now. There are very, very few things I learn by osmosis.

I'm not saying that all people need school, because they don't. Obviously, there are some people who are very intelligent and who do absolutely fine without school, and that's cool. It's just not something that most people would do; most people (like me) are inherently lazy and don't really want to learn, because there are so many more interesting things to do.

Now, I do think that they should make some changes; some of the practices are outdated, and the teaching is not individualized enough to help students where they need it most. That's not really the school's fault; there's too many students in many schools to be able to fund those kind of resources, and there's not enough time. It's not a very realistic solution, unfortunately; it's not all that practical. But short of that, some students are always going to be cheated of the attention and learning that they're entitled to in a educational environment.

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but due to MANDATORY subjects that I couldn't keep up with alongside the demanding world issues course, guess what I had to drop? World issues! :(


This is another thing... A lot of mandatory subjects are mandatory for a reason. I don't think that all of them that currently are required should be (PE, for instance, really doesn't teach anything; it's physical activity, which is easy to maintain walking through the hallways with a forty lb backpack), but most of them are practical. English, for example, is valued in the working world today; if you write a paper that no one can read and understand, your work isn't going to be taken seriously, because no one will know what it's about. The same with mathematics; if you can't balance your checkbook, you're going to need assistance that might be inconvenient if you're living independently.

I think mandatory classes are like the learning styles; they should be individualized to each student in what they're interested in and what they're advanced and weakened in. Still, a overall schedule should contain a wide variety of classes; people change their careers and majors.


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