Could this guy be a ASPIE? Is this what the future holds?

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30 Mar 2008, 2:23 am

http://www.theloomisnews.com/detail/79754.html

Some people have "speculated" that maybe he's just an ASPIE, etc...First of all, of course it's disgusting that this happens in America, even if they THINK he's a child molester, nobody should be arrested unless a crime is being committed...

Anyway, as I read the article, I began to think about my 6 1/2 year old who will talk to anyone that will listen...We'll go to Costco and he will talk to anyone...The other day he talked to a group of 12-13 yr old girls and they ended up begging to have their pics taken with him...

Is this what my worry should be? Could it be that people out there are so outrageously crazy that if you just "don't fit in" they can say you are creepy and have you arrested?

Honestly, I'm getting very worried about my son...

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30 Mar 2008, 6:29 am

WOW! so I can't even go home? There are CHILDREN there!! !! !! I can't be("loiter) at my home?

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30 Mar 2008, 7:13 am

Wow!
How awfull!

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30 Mar 2008, 7:37 am

Wow this is total BS. This is exactly the reason I try to avoid social situations most of the time and when I do go around people I try very much to avoid talking to them unless I need to talk to them and them I'm very direct and to the point and try to get it over with as soon as possible.

I have very few people I can be myself around because I'm sure if i did it in public I would end up like this poor guy.

also look at this comment on the linked page. some of the stuff like talking with people for a long time and esp really being into their dogs and petting the dogs is something I would do if i wasn't constantly afraid of people in public because i fear they would treat me like they did this man or worse. I'm also very afraid of talking to children at all too for similar reasons because people are so bloody paranoid these days. I tend to ignore that they even exist. I wish I didn't have to but this world is getting worse every day.

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On 3/26/08 at 01:57 PM, ORTrack07 wrote:

While I disagree with the $100,000 bail amount if this man has no previous offenses, I acknowledge that he is quite creepy and something should be done to monitor his actions.

This man came into my place of buisness on Thursday or Friday and it was quite evident that he was a bit messed up in the head. I rarely remember people as vividly as I remember him. He was repeatedly switching from our outside seating to our inside seating, talking to customers, petting their dogs for extended periods of time, talking to us, etc. My coworker and I both noticed the strange behavior, and he eventually came up and talked to us.

The conversation was something about how he had gone on a walk at Folsom lake in the morning and had seen "two hummingbirds, and a mongoose." My coworker and I suppressed our laughter as he said this, but remained friendly and talkative regardless. He then proceeded to describe how he had "keen senses" and how on his walk there were "three occasions when [he] thought that the planes were watching [him]." He then asked us if there were any occasions in which we thought we were being watched by government planes and such, and I mockingly agreed that I had.

This man then went outside and talked to one of our female customers (she wasn't a child) and stood up petting her dog for almost an hour and talking to her. It appeared to be a very awkward conversation for her but she stayed there so I wouldn't say that she felt as if she were in any danger.

In conclusion, this guy has done some strange (or creepy) things, and I'm sure the incident at my work was not an isolated one.

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30 Mar 2008, 7:44 am

He certainly seems strange but since when has being strange been a crime? I also avoid talking to children for fear of being seen as creepy.

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30 Mar 2008, 8:08 am

Yeah, shame that someone can get arrested for talking to children these days. :roll: Yeah being a strange person doesn't neccessarily mean you're a criminal!

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30 Mar 2008, 10:35 am

samtoo wrote:

Yeah, shame that someone can get arrested for talking to children these days. :roll:

Yeah being a strange person doesn't neccessarily mean you're a criminal!

Yes, but "society" wants everyone to believe that anyone that isn't what is considered "normal" is a criminal. Society is so stupid.

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30 Mar 2008, 10:42 am

Social_Fantom wrote:

Yes, but "society" wants everyone to believe that anyone that isn't what is considered "normal" is a criminal. Society is so stupid.

I agree, and it's sad one can no longer even talk to someone outside their age group without being looked at funny (or worse). I think I've said it on here before, but I'll say it again: I have just as many friends in my own age group as I do people who are much older as I do people who are much younger. I really don't see this changing anytime soon, and it scares me that if this continues I could one day be arrested for so much as talking to someone younger then me...

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30 Mar 2008, 10:57 am

I don't have any friends in my age group, I seem to only be able to get along with people younger or older than me. What you just said made me remember an incident were I was looked at funny. A couple of years ago, my niece who was 15 at the time (I'm seven years older than she is) wanted me to take her shopping for her birthday. I took her to a couple of places in Mt. Airy and everywhere we went, people were giving me dirty looks, and it wasn't as bad then as it is now. I don't know, maybe it did kind of look strange, but she is my niece, she had fun spending time with her uncle and I had fun spending time with her. She even helped me pick out a few things for myself. You would think that people would assume that I was her uncle or big brother and not some pedophile. If she wants to spend time with me now, I may very well be arrested by this paranoid society.

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30 Mar 2008, 11:59 am

well it look like general society just took a big leap on the stupid scale.
but at least the comments to the article showed that many people believed the mans rights were violated.

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30 Mar 2008, 12:21 pm

I actually had a strong feeling this guy might be an aspie after reading the original news article about it. Now I'm pretty much convinced.

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30 Mar 2008, 3:54 pm

silentchaos wrote:

He certainly seems strange but since when has being strange been a crime? I also avoid talking to children for fear of being seen as creepy.

i bet if a woman did it nothing would have happend. its all stereotypical profiling. its a shame really, if i was that guy i'd look into possible legal action against the police

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30 Mar 2008, 4:17 pm

The Loomis News Article wrote:

Victor Emmer

After an El Dorado Hills mom reported observing a strange man speaking with her two children at each of three children's-story events, deputies arrested the man at his Folsom home.

Victor Emmer, 49, was arrested March 13 on suspicion of loitering where children gather.

"It's an odd charge," said sheriff's Sgt. Jim Byers, noting the statute intends chiefly to protect school-grounds neighborhoods. "The family was at the Folsom Borders Books story-telling time, where he (spoke to one of the children), and for lack of a better term, he creeped the mom out. Then, a few days later at the

El Dorado Hills Library story time, she saw him again striking up conversation with her children. And then, he does it again. We felt it justified a criminal complaint, she signed it and he was arrested."

The case appears unrelated to recent report of unwelcome advances to children in the area by a middle-aged man driving a dark-colored van or SUV, Byers said.

When investigators heard a low bail amount set for Emmer, they explained to a judge that they believed it was too low. Now bail in the case is set at $100,000, and Emmer has bailed out of custody, Byers said.

Investigators want to hear about any similar incidents, he said.

“He is not a registered sex offender in Folsom or California and we have not found any information to indicate he has any prior offenses,” said Lt. Sheldon Sterling of the Folsom Police Department.

Bold part accentuated by myself.

Firstly, the police appear to have failed to run his ID, and searched DMV registration to see if he owned a vehicle that matched the description of the suspicious vehicle.

Secondly, the comment by the person who claimed to have heard him say that he was being 'watched by airplanes' seems to indicate not an ASD, but schizophrenia or perhaps the agitated phase of Bipolar Disorder.

What a shame that he has to go through this, I hope El Dorado Hills' property taxes go up in that local to reflect the lawsuit payout he should rightly get for this.

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30 Mar 2008, 4:19 pm

Day of past future topic

The problem nowadays is that with more knowledge of child porn and internet luring we are suspicious of everyone, even women. I worry every time my teens are late in coming home. I even worry when they are not late. We have to remember that stranger abductions are rare and people are more likely to be victimized by people they know. Just be skeptical of anyone who seems to friendly or who asks you to do something you are not comfortable with. This skill does come with age.

If someone seems a little too friendly, I tell my children to say:"I must be on my way. Goodbye." Never give out personal info that could identify where you live to a private individual, whether on line or in person. Trust your instincts. Relationships take some time to mature, and mutual respect is the hallmark of a good one.
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