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NeantHumain
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04 Apr 2008, 9:27 pm

(Please see the thread Underlying Cause of Asperger's Syndrome: Existential Dread? for the assumptions this topic follows from.)

The prototypical manifestation of Asperger's syndrome is as a narrowly focused male who pays great attention to a few obscure or bookish interests while remaining socially oblivious. Affectively, we can describe him as flat, aware more of his own percepts than his social milieu. However, as this site makes clear, aspies face many emotional challenges: suicidal ideation, rage, frustration, depression, loneliness, and more. My theory is that these emotions come into play as the aspie gains more self-awareness and crucially other-awareness. Thus he or she becomes more like the classical emo. Thus acting emo may be a stage en route to an aspie's developing social and emotional maturity, and this is because emo is a phase between NeuroTypicality and Asperger's syndrome:

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04 Apr 2008, 9:31 pm

They were called Goths back in my day. :wink:


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04 Apr 2008, 9:31 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
(Please see the thread Underlying Cause of Asperger's Syndrome: Existential Dread? for the assumptions this topic follows from.)

The prototypical manifestation of Asperger's syndrome is as a narrowly focused male who pays great attention to a few obscure or bookish interests while remaining socially oblivious. Affectively, we can describe him as flat, aware more of his own percepts than his social milieu.

Anyone care to debate my position?


What about us females?



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04 Apr 2008, 9:45 pm

I don't understand that diagram. And I wouldn't say that it is a phase between NT and aspie, because no one goes between the two (aspies can learn skills, but they don't become NT).

Anyway, I pretty much agree with respect to the seeming necessity of an "emo" phase. Emo is one way of describing the difficulties that most teenagers tend to go through, some earlier or later than others, and some for longer or shorter durations. Personally, I isolated myself from others for a long time. It was only when I was 17 and almost done with high school, that I started trying to interact with other people and make friends. Needless to say, I had much difficulty trying to do so. I experienced the period of "teen angst" (which for most people lasts for maybe a few years) late and in a quick few months--I was just in and out, and it was rough but exciting.

edit: I would say that my case is an example of your "phase between NT and aspie". Of course I didn't change from one to the other, but my attempts to socialize myself made many aspie traits become apparent only for the first time.



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04 Apr 2008, 9:48 pm

I had problems that were caused by bullying by my classmates, my teachers, and my mother. The ones who could articulate such advanced concepts would blame my problems on "being schizophrenic" since Asperger's was not in vogue then. The "authorities" did not allow for any diagnosis of post-traumatic stress, or even allow for any diagnosis that my environment was making me sick. They also saw "illness" that wasn't there.

If there is such a thing as Asperger's or even really such a thing as "autism" it is a difference, and I doubt if in itself it is usually a disability or a disease.



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04 Apr 2008, 9:50 pm

Emo is a music based clique, nothing more.

I do know a few really upbeat and happy 'emo' guys.



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04 Apr 2008, 9:57 pm

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I am glad you defined Emo – I thought it was a character from the Sesame St program :lol:

I like the concept that the transition wass from Aspie to Sesame St character to NT.



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04 Apr 2008, 10:03 pm

Remnant wrote:
If there is such a thing as Asperger's or even really such a thing as "autism" it is a difference, and I doubt if in itself it is usually a disability or a disease.


What do you mean by that statement?



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04 Apr 2008, 10:07 pm

Uhh, what does emo mean?



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04 Apr 2008, 10:33 pm

fishman wrote:
Remnant wrote:
If there is such a thing as Asperger's or even really such a thing as "autism" it is a difference, and I doubt if in itself it is usually a disability or a disease.


What do you mean by that statement?


I mean that Asperger's may only be disabled by other people and not inherently disabled.



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04 Apr 2008, 10:35 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
(Please see the thread Underlying Cause of Asperger's Syndrome: Existential Dread? for the assumptions this topic follows from.)

The prototypical manifestation of Asperger's syndrome is as a narrowly focused male who pays great attention to a few obscure or bookish interests while remaining socially oblivious. Affectively, we can describe him as flat, aware more of his own percepts than his social milieu. However, as this site makes clear, aspies face many emotional challenges: suicidal ideation, rage, frustration, depression, loneliness, and more. My theory is that these emotions come into play as the aspie gains more self-awareness and crucially other-awareness. Thus he or she becomes more like the classical emo. Thus acting emo may be a stage en route to an aspie's developing social and emotional maturity, and this is because emo is a phase between NeuroTypicality and Asperger's syndrome:

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Anyone care to debate my position?


Whereas I go through dark phases where death and mass murderers or even CSI or forensics has been a topic of intense interest, I cannot, like an "emo" take off my emotional state.

Well, not without the intensive use of SSRIs anyway.


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04 Apr 2008, 11:11 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
(Please see the thread Underlying Cause of Asperger's Syndrome: Existential Dread? for the assumptions this topic follows from.)

The prototypical manifestation of Asperger's syndrome is as a narrowly focused male who pays great attention to a few obscure or bookish interests while remaining socially oblivious. Affectively, we can describe him as flat, aware more of his own percepts than his social milieu. However, as this site makes clear, aspies face many emotional challenges: suicidal ideation, rage, frustration, depression, loneliness, and more. My theory is that these emotions come into play as the aspie gains more self-awareness and crucially other-awareness. Thus he or she becomes more like the classical emo. Thus acting emo may be a stage en route to an aspie's developing social and emotional maturity, and this is because emo is a phase between NeuroTypicality and Asperger's syndrome:

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Anyone care to debate my position?


I'm not sure I understand your position. Wouldn't the "emo" stage be common to just about everyone? What exactly do you mean by "emo?"



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04 Apr 2008, 11:14 pm

Zsazsa wrote:
What about us females?


they're called 'Scenesters' :wink:


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04 Apr 2008, 11:17 pm

darkstone100 wrote:
Uhh, what does emo mean?


basically a type of music, and some way a way of life and dress.

links:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&c ... PzLdqaNCEg
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&c ... NNoiVU1yvA

also, some would say Linkin Park is emo, some would say 'no'.


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04 Apr 2008, 11:18 pm

ok, I must be at the intersection, because NC is a non-Union state...;)

I thought Emo was a really bad comedian back in the 90s...;) or was that Eno? (Could be either...;)



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04 Apr 2008, 11:26 pm

pakled wrote:
ok, I must be at the intersection, because NC is a non-Union state...;)

I thought Emo was a really bad comedian back in the 90s...;) or was that Eno? (Could be either...;)


Emo Phillips may still be performing his weird standup schtick somewhere. Emo is not an emo BTW; he's more of a goofy man-boy type. But I do give him full props for having an original persona. :wink: