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15 Apr 2008, 5:07 pm

A few weeks ago, my mom more or less kicked me out because I went to go visit my dad. Our relationship was going great before it, and she just got really mad this time. Like the social worker asked, and basically she said she didn't like how she was the one stuck with raising us, yet whenever a break came up we always wanted to visit him, and she wanted to go somewhere with us sometime (Which everytime a break did come up, she never actually did anything she said she was going to do.) Basically, long story short, when I came back most of my stuff was gone, my mom signed her parental rights to me on a sheet of paper, and the only choice I had was to go live with my dad. I really loved my old high school, the teachers were amazing, the students were really great, and I had so many opportunities at my disposal. I absolutely despise my new school. I know, everyone says you can get used to it and everything, but isn't anything for me here. They're losing accreditation, and I lost honors classes transfer. The only choice would be for my dad to move, but he can't before the next school year. All the schools seem about the same here too. I hate it here so much I feel manically depressed most of the time when I think I can't go back. It's to the point where it's oftentime hard to concentrate in class, or sleep at home. That's another story, though. What can I do to go back that doesn't lose my dad his parental rights?

My dad's in GA, my mom's in CA. It's not in the courts yet. What are my options? I need to do something to get back. I just feel so down all the time here, because I had so much going for me. Nearly straight As, I was in leadership positions or close to them in 4-5 clubs, and the kids were actually there to learn, not just play around all the time. I just don't see how it can ever be considered okay to throw your son out because he wants to visit his dad every few months for a few days.

It's not in the courts that my dad has sole custody also. Anything I can do? I'm not moving RIGHT now, most likely in the summer if there's anything I can do. I only have one aunt and uncle near the school and they have two daughters, I don't think I'd be able to stay there two years.



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15 Apr 2008, 5:10 pm

wow...... that's really irresponsible of her. im sorry.


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15 Apr 2008, 5:25 pm

1) How old are you?
2) You need legal advice - or your father needs to get legal advice.


My thought is that if you're very young (under 16) and your mother has legal physical custody, she's going to be in deep doo-doo with the court. If you're over 16, given California law as I know it, the court could order her to take you back but your life would not be the same with her forced to take you in.

Best of luck. Really. Have you talked to your Dad about this? You really should.



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15 Apr 2008, 5:27 pm

I'm 16, and my dad knows that's what I want, and he'd be fine with it. He sees how miserable I am. I may just have to get legal advice.



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15 Apr 2008, 5:33 pm

I agree that if she's forced to take you back, it wouldn't work.

If you were a straight A student, then you can be in GA too. I would get yourself settled, and give it your all. You sound very self-reflective, and you know the deal. You can either make it work, or not. It must not have been working, for whatever reason, with your mom. Were you fighting alot? Your mom can't take care of you right now (this is apparent). I would get it straight that you have no choice.

Be thankful you have a dad who is welcoming, and stop thinking about returning. I would move forward.

What about a private school? Would your dad consider? Your mom would have to pay 1/2.

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15 Apr 2008, 5:39 pm

I don't know the laws, but that really sucks. I kinda know how you feel. My parents moved me from Washington to Kentucky when I was 12. Not only did I not want to go, schools in the south are horrible! And adjusting to the cultural and social changes from the west to the south was not easy. Once I finaly was doing ok, my grades were back up, and I had a few friends, we moved back to Washington when I was 15. That was equally hard to readjust and deal with class transfers and stuff.
My sympathys, man. Hopefully this will all work out for you in one way or another.



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15 Apr 2008, 5:42 pm

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I agree that if she's forced to take you back, it wouldn't work.

If you were a straight A student, then you can be in GA too. I would get yourself settled, and give it your all. You sound very self-reflective, and you know the deal. You can either make it work, or not. It must not have been working, for whatever reason, with your mom. Were you fighting alot? Your mom can't take care of you right now (this is apparent). I would get it straight that you have no choice.

Be thankful you have a dad who is welcoming, and stop thinking about returning. I would move forward.

What about a private school? Would your dad consider? Your mom would have to pay 1/2.

equinn


Actually, it would be for the court to decide if she had to pay half. If she's signed emancipation papers, she's clearly saying "goodbye". By the time a cross-jurisdictional court case hits the courts, this young man will be nearly ready to graduate. If Obstinate's father earns considerably more than his mother - it would also depend on where the court hearing was as different states have differing regulations and guidelines - his mother might not have to pay a cent towards either his schooling or his upkeep (aka child support). And, at least in California, child support ends at 18 (or when you graduate from high school, whichever is later).

Given that your mom has given you your walking papers, Obstinate, I'd say you have to make your way in the world. Build yourself a life. Thankfully you have a supportive father, so it's not as if you've been tossed on the street (I have known people in that situation, and it is not pleasant). Sometimes you can't spend much time looking back, you have to start looking forward and taking steps to move on. There's an old saying "You can never go home again." Unfortunately, it's quite often true.

I'm sorry things haven't worked out as you'd have liked. Best of luck.



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15 Apr 2008, 5:48 pm

Well, that's the thing. It was working with my mom, very well at that, except when it came to visiting my dad. Whenever I asked she'd get kinda pissed, and this time I guess it was just like the last straw. I don't know if she's bipolar or anything, but it just...everything was going really great actually. She was really trying to help me out with alot of things in life and she was very accomodating. I don't know if she knows anything about Asperger's, but I think she really understood I was different and tried her best to be really caring. Even when my dad came out there to visit, I don't think it was that much of a problem. Now that I'm with my dad however, it's a completely different story. Instead of coming with loving arms, he came with this attitude that all of this was my fault, and that I need some serious "correcting". Which really sucked, because I wasn't too sure about asking her to go because I wasn't sure I really should go, but he talked me into asking.

And When coming to him about my Asperger's, even though I pushed him to get me an appointment with a local psycologist, he gave me his whole "There's nothing wrong with you, you just think you do." and all this. I don't know, maybe I don't. I'd rather go to Emory and get an official word. But right now, I've been doing some serious reflecting, like I shouldn't have went in Spring Break. She was threatening to kick me out if I went (I take the train to the airport), and I'm thinking I was really stupid to listen to him and go, especially for such a short time. And I'm thinking, which one is really the controlling one, and which one is the right one? Now I honestly wish I never went in the first place.

Yeah, there aren't any private schools around here. The public school's also losing accreditation at that next school year most likely. Shouldn't the courts rule in the best interests of my education?

I don't know, think I should just apologize profusely to her? She signed me away on a blank sheet of paper, to the courts she still has primary custody to me. She hasn't changed anything. My dad's still sending child support to her even.



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15 Apr 2008, 6:22 pm

Obstinate wrote:
Well, that's the thing. It was working with my mom, very well at that, except when it came to visiting my dad. Whenever I asked she'd get kinda pissed, and this time I guess it was just like the last straw. I don't know if she's bipolar or anything, but it just...everything was going really great actually. She was really trying to help me out with alot of things in life and she was very accomodating. I don't know if she knows anything about Asperger's, but I think she really understood I was different and tried her best to be really caring. Even when my dad came out there to visit, I don't think it was that much of a problem. Now that I'm with my dad however, it's a completely different story. Instead of coming with loving arms, he came with this attitude that all of this was my fault, and that I need some serious "correcting". Which really sucked, because I wasn't too sure about asking her to go because I wasn't sure I really should go, but he talked me into asking.

And When coming to him about my Asperger's, even though I pushed him to get me an appointment with a local psycologist, he gave me his whole "There's nothing wrong with you, you just think you do." and all this. I don't know, maybe I don't. I'd rather go to Emory and get an official word. But right now, I've been doing some serious reflecting, like I shouldn't have went in Spring Break. She was threatening to kick me out if I went (I take the train to the airport), and I'm thinking I was really stupid to listen to him and go, especially for such a short time. And I'm thinking, which one is really the controlling one, and which one is the right one? Now I honestly wish I never went in the first place.

Yeah, there aren't any private schools around here. The public school's also losing accreditation at that next school year most likely. Shouldn't the courts rule in the best interests of my education?

I don't know, think I should just apologize profusely to her? She signed me away on a blank sheet of paper, to the courts she still has primary custody to me. She hasn't changed anything. My dad's still sending child support to her even.


If your original child support order was set in California, that's where it will have to be addressed. California views custody and support as two different issues. The courts, when you finally got to one, would try to look out for your best interest as the court sees it. The problem is, you are 16. You only have two (or so) years left of school. Unless your father wants to take your mother to court there in your new state, which would require all sorts of creative legal manoeverings (depending on where the original custody order was issued), it will be expensive and will take some time. Yes, there are potentially free services you could use, but you want to steer clear of anything relating to state offices of child welfare. You do not want to end up a ward of the court.

I don't know what happened, precisely. I suspect there's more to your story than you either see or have told us. I can suggest this for a starter, if you want to patch things up with your mother and move back there: write her a letter of apology. It had better be sincere. Explain why you did what you did, and that you realize what it did to her (if you do). Ask her if you can come live there again, and that you are willing to follow whatever house rules she sets for the next two years of your life.

If you can't do that, and really mean it, you really might want to just look forward. If she says "no", then you need to move on.

Being in a failing school doesn't mean you have to be a failure. You know how to use the library? Use it. Read. Some of the most highly educated people I've ever met never went to formal school past 8th grade. You don't need to depend on others for your education. Just do it.

Good luck!



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15 Apr 2008, 6:26 pm

I definitely plan on doing that one. Write a letter to her. That's easy. I can be completely sincere about it. I just really feel like everything was okay there.



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15 Apr 2008, 6:36 pm

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I only have one aunt and uncle near the school and they have two daughters, I don't think I'd be able to stay there two years.


Ask your aunt and uncle if you can stay there. Explain your situation to them. They just might let you.
You will never know what opportunities are closed and which are open until you find out.

What your mother did, in my opinion, was wrong. Although, you can't go back in time and make a different outcome, so you will just have to deal with the future, as hard as it may be.
I'm not sure about the laws where you are, or how old you are...but in NZ, if a person is 16 or over, they are legally allowed to visit the other parent that they don't live with, even if the one who has primary custody doesn't want them to.

I hope you manage to get things sorted out.


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15 Apr 2008, 7:22 pm

And I'm being 100% honest. There isn't much more to the story. She told my dad that she kicked me out because I didn't clean up enough. I cleaned up often (oftentime her stuff), and while I admit I could've done more, I don't see that as a reason to kick out a child.



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15 Apr 2008, 9:30 pm

Aside from the issue of which parent you live with:

You have more options than the simple choice between going to public school and trying to get a scholarship to private school (full scholarships do exist - could be an option).

You can self-school, and there are many different ways to do this. There are structured online schools, even at the high school level. My brother did this for a year in the 90s; I imagine there are more options now than there were then. You can also do something like traditional homeschooling except that you're in charge of it (also called "self-schooling"). I volunteered at a community center for home-schooled and self-schooled kids when I was in college so I know these options exist.

You could also try to start college early. I skipped the last year of high school and started college early. Officially, I'm a high school dropout with a B.A. A large, traditional university let me do this because I did well academically in high school. For all I know, I could be the only student that university has ever accepted in that manner. There are also less traditional colleges that routinely let students leave high school early to start college. Some have high tuition, but there is a lot of financial aid available, especially if take the time to investigate all your options.

Best of luck!



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15 Apr 2008, 10:20 pm

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A few weeks ago, my mom more or less kicked me out because I went to go visit my dad. Our relationship was going great before it, and she just got really mad this time. Like the social worker asked, and basically she said she didn't like how she was the one stuck with raising us, yet whenever a break came up we always wanted to visit him, and she wanted to go somewhere with us sometime (Which everytime a break did come up, she never actually did anything she said she was going to do.) Basically, long story short, when I came back most of my stuff was gone, my mom signed her parental rights to me on a sheet of paper, and the only choice I had was to go live with my dad. I really loved my old high school, the teachers were amazing, the students were really great, and I had so many opportunities at my disposal. I absolutely despise my new school. I know, everyone says you can get used to it and everything, but isn't anything for me here. They're losing accreditation, and I lost honors classes transfer. The only choice would be for my dad to move, but he can't before the next school year. All the schools seem about the same here too. I hate it here so much I feel manically depressed most of the time when I think I can't go back. It's to the point where it's oftentime hard to concentrate in class, or sleep at home. That's another story, though. What can I do to go back that doesn't lose my dad his parental rights?

My dad's in GA, my mom's in CA. It's not in the courts yet. What are my options? I need to do something to get back. I just feel so down all the time here, because I had so much going for me. Nearly straight As, I was in leadership positions or close to them in 4-5 clubs, and the kids were actually there to learn, not just play around all the time. I just don't see how it can ever be considered okay to throw your son out because he wants to visit his dad every few months for a few days.

It's not in the courts that my dad has sole custody also. Anything I can do? I'm not moving RIGHT now, most likely in the summer if there's anything I can do. I only have one aunt and uncle near the school and they have two daughters, I don't think I'd be able to stay there two years.


If you live in California, if you are not 18, and if none of this has been through a court, the piece of paper is meaningless. A parent cannot throw a child out! End of story. That is California law. And it is very specific about what must be provided. If you live near Campbell, or Sacramento, or San Diego, look up Eastfield Ming Quong (EMQ) They're main office is in Campbell, I think. They have people who work with this all the time.

On the other hand, if you're 18, or over, it's time to strike out on your own. Surprise, you might like it!

Here is the link:

http://www.emq.org/about/locations/index.html

They're good folks. I know a lot of them well.

There is also another agency....I have friends there too. But start here, they'll talk to you. They'll help you too, and probably for nothing.

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15 Apr 2008, 10:33 pm

WOW.

That was really crappy of her.

That being said, I love GA. I know that isn't helpful though :P How much more school do you have?? Because it sounds like your mother is unstable which means you'll be out on your own at 18 anyway, and CA is not the sunshiney gold-paved street the rest of the world would like to believe. It is TOUGH making it on your own in CA. I think you'd be better off in GA, what with their expanding and growth and boom and whatnot. Lots of jobs, cost of living is lower, housing is easier to attain/cheaper. In the long run you'd be better off in GA.

I guess you just have to weigh your priorities. Good luck.



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15 Apr 2008, 10:42 pm

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WOW.

That was really crappy of her.

That being said, I love GA. I know that isn't helpful though :P How much more school do you have?? Because it sounds like your mother is unstable which means you'll be out on your own at 18 anyway, and CA is not the sunshiney gold-paved street the rest of the world would like to believe. It is TOUGH making it on your own in CA. I think you'd be better off in GA, what with their expanding and growth and boom and whatnot. Lots of jobs, cost of living is lower, housing is easier to attain/cheaper. In the long run you'd be better off in GA.

I guess you just have to weigh your priorities. Good luck.

Oh, I dunno. I made it on my own with a family for nearly 40 years in California. Hate New Jersey, Hate it!

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