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IpsoRandomo
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07 May 2008, 1:42 am

I want to "fake it till I make it," a psychological technique.
You can become confident by believing you're confident, which is what I want to do.

Basically, I want to know how I could "brainwash" myself into believing I'm confident.

I'm not concerned with whether any I approach I take is self-deceitful.
So don't bother with arguing against the idea.
It's not self-deceiving if it's self-fulfilling, anyways.

I just want to know what specific techniques I could use to increase my belief in my own confidence and make my belief as unshakeable as possible.

Last, but not least, the central idea is not up for debate and is well established by psychology. If you wish to question the idea, don't bother posting.



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07 May 2008, 1:48 am

IpsoRandomo wrote:
I want to "fake it till I make it," a psychological technique.
You can become confident by believing you're confident, which is what I want to do.

Basically, I want to know how I could "brainwash" myself into believing I'm confident.

I'm not concerned with whether any I approach I take is self-deceitful.
So don't bother with arguing against the idea.
It's not self-deceiving if it's self-fulfilling, anyways.

I just want to know what specific techniques I could use to increase my belief in my own confidence and make my belief as unshakeable as possible.


Confidence is not something you can fake. It's something you get when you confront your anxieties in a courageous way.



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07 May 2008, 1:55 am

qgambit wrote:
IpsoRandomo wrote:
I want to "fake it till I make it," a psychological technique.
You can become confident by believing you're confident, which is what I want to do.

Basically, I want to know how I could "brainwash" myself into believing I'm confident.

I'm not concerned with whether any I approach I take is self-deceitful.
So don't bother with arguing against the idea.
It's not self-deceiving if it's self-fulfilling, anyways.

I just want to know what specific techniques I could use to increase my belief in my own confidence and make my belief as unshakeable as possible.


Confidence is not something you can fake. It's something you get when you confront your anxieties in a courageous way.


Wrong. Both have some truth to them, but I know from my psychology lectures that you can "fake it till you make it." Hell, we fake it every day just to get by. One thing learned from psychology is that we have to deceive ourselves to get by. My professor, textbook, and various other sources all concur.

In a study between clinically depressed people and non-depressed people, the depressed ones more accurately predicted the outcome of a football game. The researchers hypothesized that a depressed attitude actually reinforced objectivity.

Also, AS I ALREADY POINTED OUT, it's not deceptive if it's self-fulfilling.

Besides, self-deception isn't necessarily a bad thing (e.g., some religious beliefs).

It also works for Alcoholics Anonymous



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07 May 2008, 1:58 am

Also, you're advice is worse than useless. Useless because it clutters, and worse because it discourages confidence.

I told you already, I'm not interested in the "truth" of self-confidence.

The central idea is not up for debate.

My concerns are purely pragmatic.



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07 May 2008, 2:05 am

To each their own. I think you are vastly over thinking this.



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07 May 2008, 2:22 am

"Fake it till you make it" I think just means that you should pretend that you know what you're doing to buy yourself time to actually figure it out.

The idea is to make sure everyone thinks that you're already good at what you're doing, or that you believe in your skills (your nonexistent skills :P)--you act like you're good at something you have no idea how to do or pretend to other people that you believe in yourself when you actually don't.

If you can do that for long enough, then you'll have ample time to actually develop skills/experience/familiarity (and the confidence that comes once you develop those things) before anybody finds out that when you started out you were actually a fraud to some degree.

I don't think you can "brainwash" yourself into feeling confident. It's something that has to grow, like a tree inside you. The tree that is confidence grows when it's fed skills and experiences (so just picture skills and experiences as water and sunlight and carbon dioxide).



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07 May 2008, 2:27 am

NoOnesBoy wrote:
"Fake it till you make it" I think just means that you should pretend that you know what you're doing to buy yourself time to actually figure it out.

The idea is to make sure everyone thinks that you're already good at what you're doing, or that you believe in your skills (your nonexistent skills :P)--you act like you're good at something you have no idea how to do or pretend to other people that you believe in yourself when you actually don't.

If you can do that for long enough, then you'll have ample time to actually develop skills/experience/familiarity (and the confidence that comes once you develop those things) before anybody finds out that when you started out you were actually a fraud to some degree.

I don't think you can "brainwash" yourself into feeling confident. It's something that has to grow, like a tree inside you. The tree that is confidence grows when it's fed skills and experiences (so just picture skills and experiences as water and sunlight and carbon dioxide).


Thanks for the advice, but how do I convince myself?

Oh, I'm pretty sure can deceive yourself, even willingly, though it takes effort (e.g., effective liars often believe themselves)



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07 May 2008, 2:42 am

do normal then you might fake it


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07 May 2008, 3:00 am

Hmmm, that's a good point about the lying! And then there's the whole thing with denial, too. I have no idea how to convince myself of anything unless I can find justifications for it....but the justifications don't last if there's not truth in them at all after a certain amount of time has passed. Maybe it's just an emotional thing?? Like you need to want something bad enough that it becomes the only option your brain can handle? Curious, very curious! I have no idea :P



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07 May 2008, 3:31 am

hmm fake it till you make it sounds like our labour goverment,
i try an stay in a fixed state of emotions and if i feel myself swaying either side of the fixed state i stay away
from anyone who will notice and some times rest,



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07 May 2008, 3:39 am

Quote:
Fake it till you make it" I think just means that you should pretend that you know what you're doing to buy yourself time to actually figure it out.

The idea is to make sure everyone thinks that you're already good at what you're doing, or that you believe in your skills (your nonexistent skills :P)--you act like you're good at something you have no idea how to do or pretend to other people that you believe in yourself when you actually don't.



i have a trade and the hardest thing for me is convincing others i am good at it, thing is i have noticed that most people go
for the one that can do all the talking but when it comes to the work there usualy no good at it go figure nts are very easily fooled :lol:



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07 May 2008, 8:03 am

You don't have to convince yourself - you just have to convince others that you've convinced yourself!



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07 May 2008, 8:07 am

IpsoRandomo wrote:
Thanks for the advice, but how do I convince myself?


I saw these subliminal hypnosis tapes in a rack at the grocery store, they said they can help a person quit smoking, or develop psychic abilities - maybe they would help...



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07 May 2008, 11:42 am

Willard wrote:
IpsoRandomo wrote:
Thanks for the advice, but how do I convince myself?


I saw these subliminal hypnosis tapes in a rack at the grocery store, they said they can help a person quit smoking, or develop psychic abilities - maybe they would help...


I strongly doubt that. I mean proven techniques. It sounds fishy if marketed by tabloids.



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07 May 2008, 12:02 pm

One way is pump yourself up or have a family member for every small win or fake. To you dodo that said you can't fake it, you can fake anything no exception in the world.

subliminal hypnosis:Those are neither subliminal or hypnotic. Subliminal is some hidden message, listen to a tape as you fall asleep has no scientific proof in that placebo's had the same rate. Hypnosis is a planted seed while unconious.



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07 May 2008, 12:25 pm

Couple of thoughts:

If there is some aspects of yourself you are confident about, examine how that feels and try to feel that way about other things.

I've had good experiences pretending to have confidence and being suave in tabletop RPG settings. I got compliments on my suave con artist character and how I played him, even though I felt unbearably cheesy and had to keep myself from laughing.

I don't feel that "fake it until you make it" is quite an accurate description. Everyone has a little confidence, but it's often drowned out by doubt and worry. Listen more to the parts of you that say I can, and less to the parts that say I can't. While you are doing this you will seem more confident than you are, but that just is the same as holding back the sarcastic comment you wanted to make or deciding not to have candy for dinner. Everyone has competing drives, but part of being aware is you can decide how much weight to give each one.