AS vs NVLD

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Since learning about AS through my son having it,I've done research on a nimber of neurological and learning disorders. I was particularly intrigued by nonverbal learning disorder and how it resembled AS. It also explained traits in another son who is not AS but definitely not quite NT.Does anyone have info on how AS & NVLD are related? I suspect its mostly the same phenomenon approached from different angles.

i made a topic about this a few days ago and think As is really a form of a NVLD aswell.

The major similarity between AS and NVLD is the difficulty with social interaction.

However, I think the major differences are important, too:

1. People with NVLD do not necessarily have the intense interests that people with AS have

2. People with AS do not necessarily have the difficulty with mathematics that people with NVLD have

I think the differences are important enough that these are separate conditions. Otherwise what would you do with someone who had difficulty with social interaction and intense interests, but no difficulty with mathematics?

i would definitley say i have social difficulties as well as having "projects" that i like to do..

but i also don't really have problems with math. not saying i like or enjoy it! math is hard but i can do it. i passed college calc in highschool with an A.

(but plz dont ask me to go back and do it again!)

so what crack did i fall into?

Also, aspies have sensory issues, but I'm not sure if all of them do.

[quote="umbra"Otherwise what would you do with someone who had difficulty with social interaction and intense interests, but no difficulty with mathematics?[/quote]


That would be me Math IS my most intense interest.
BTW, Sedaka, an A in HS calc is quite an accomplishment!
I only did so well bcuz we had an awesome teacher.

I can tell you now as someone with severe NLD that we most definitely do have sensory issues - well I do anyway!

I have done some research regarding this specific topic. NVLD is not new, just re-emerging from the 1970's. While AS is not a recognized educational term for disability category, the research has found that the servicie delivery model is consistent with the needs of a person with a learning disability. We tend to rely on DSM diagnoses for AS but it is not really practical in an educational setting. Perhaps, for pragmatic reasons, AS should be a LD subtype. I have a really good reference with a chart but cannot post for 5 days or until I have enough posts. You may contact me for the link if you would like.

I have NLD and I don't have sensory issues. Pain is the only thing that gets to me.

I think that LostInSpace has given an excellent (short) explanation somewhere in this topic: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt64800.html

Further ado, I found this article to be informative also: http://www.nldontheweb.org/Dinklage_1.htm

Last edited by Sora on 07 May 2008, 4:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I was just reading about this the other day...apparently, people with NVLD don't stim as much, and they're better with emotions. So I definitely don't have it.

That would be me Math IS my most intense interest.
BTW, Sedaka, an A in HS calc is quite an accomplishment!
I only did so well bcuz we had an awesome teacher.[/quote]

i do have issues with doin simple stuff... especially in my head. i tend to do bad on tests where i can't have a calculator

I do have trouble with maths. With numbers and simple arithmetic actually. Not with anything more complicated (which I find to be easy). I have excellent visual/spatial skills. I'm left-handed and I have overall excellent motor skills/my fine motor skills developed faster than in my peers. So I really do not believe that I have NVLD.

My son, too, has visual-spatial strengths and has always been very agile with excellent gross motor skills. This does not seem to fit the NLD profile despite the psych's odd suggestion. How can they just throw these labels around so haphazardly! It seems like the psychiatrist so wants to disregard my son's autism. I don't know why. He wasnts to attribute the social deficits to NLD. Maybe I'm overthinking this or paranoid! Yet, it was hard enough to accept and research and deal with. Autism describes him and is the best fitting suit. Why do I have to defend this repeatedly! It is very difficult. I had to step back into it all, just recently, despite his new IEP and autism mandation, and it is draining.

Does one particular group have a monopoly on ASD's/Aspergers? We are of irish and german ancenstry--just wondering (I know it sounds bizarre)--LOL. I feel like I'm missing something here. AGain, it was so difficult to come to terms with it all and it is an uphill battle when someone invites doubt or questions his dx based on preconceived notions or stereotypes. It is common. My son is not impaired enough, I suppose. He only requires a 1:1 aide at the age of eight! How impaired is this?

equinn

I'm German if it helps any. Shouldn't be an issue, hehe.

I am sorry that you have to put up with the stress with re-evaluation, a new and determined psych and this confusion if new diagnoses are thrown at your son. That's just not ok. There should be some kind of simpler and easier way to the interaction of professionals and families!

My first shrink didn't even consider that I may be on the spectrum at all. A distraught experience as I myself were hardly convinced at that time and had just come to terms with the idea. I image it's as horrible now for you, with your son and this confusion people cause by doubting the dx.

For standards here, I'm also not impaired enough usually. I have a 2:2 from professionals on my dx, pretty idiotic. But one thing I know: they do not see me 24/7. They are not my mother and family who saw me grow up. So they can't really claim I'm not impaired 'enough' based on some talks and these special situations. They can give a general idea usually - there is trouble or there's none.

But the finer things, that's where I trust myself and family. They don't know a thing about ASDs. And they're quite certain I'm 'fine' and perfect. But they have a pretty good idea of what I can do, what help I need, what I can't do and what help I don't need...

so I really learned not to care for a shrink saying 'oh, you must be able to go shopping or go to school easily',

because that's just a speculation that does not correspondent with reality. But the shrink can only guess too, they're not there of course, so they cannot know what my mother knows. They can base the guesses on what they're told and on their observations. Personal opinion naturally plays in it, not bad, quite normal.

Sounds a little like that shrink sees your son as having a great potential??

I'm not the standard Asperger's. Very likely, if it would exist here, PDD-NOS as in classical and AS mixed. AS fortunately gets me the exact same benefits as classical autism would in my country. So I know it's working for me. That's what's important I think.

What I want to say by this: maybe get another opinion, but really do go with your gut feeling. You must feel well with whatever result! = feel it's 'right' and 'working'. And also, I bet your son will know if some thought is nagging on you. And if this thought is on him, he may start to wonder too.

Hello
I'm trying to get my head around the differences between AS and NVLD, it's not easy as I'm not well so I thought I'd ask a question.
I find it far easier to read something in front of me and understand it than if someone is telling me. I had problems in school with following what the teacher was saying but if it was written down, I could read it and read it again and absorb it.
Does this point towards NVLD or away from it as don't people with NVLD have the reverse problem??
Thankyou