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03 Aug 2008, 12:03 am

I just watched the movie and I thought it was very good. They even had one aspie kid in there and he talked about dinosaurs and he seemed to be hyper. I can remember the scene where he was talking about his ideas about the play to a teacher and the teacher tells him to look her in the eye. She says she likes looking at him and to look at her there. The kid finally does and I noticed how his talking changed. He was stuttering and talking slower but he was doing so much better without eye contact.


In the park scene where the families are having a picnic, this autistic boy is being gentle with a little boy and then all of a sudden he yanks him and he falls on the ground. The parents come up to him and give him a lecture about it. He started to scream but they kept a hold of him and talking to him gently. They were telling him how is is feeling then that is how his dad is feeling the the little boy and the mother told him would he like it if someone bigger than him took him and did that to him. That part should be an example to those parents of the five year old who got kicked out of the restaurant. It would show them autism is no excuse for bad behavior. The parents were talking to him about his behavior and the mother said how much he has learned to control his impulses and behavior and he has worked so hard into the world. He may be non verbal but they taught him another way of communicating that doesn't hurt himself or others.


But in the part where the parents are sitting in a room by themselves, one of the mothers tells about how the school won't help her daughter or treat her fairly or won't even teach her anything. They won't value her the mother said. Then she quotes what the teachers think of her "She is autistic, she is stupid, she can't learn...." The mother even says she wants the world to welcome her but they don't and she can't make them. She can only work with who she has, it's a value. She says until they are valued nobody is going to find a cure won't take the chemicals out of the vaccine. She is one of those mom's who thinks it causes it. She also said nobody is going to make the school systems follow the laws etc.
Goodness is that why parents want a cure? Because they can't find help for their child, the schools won't help their child, can't get people to value their child like they do to the other kids, can't get people to respect their child, etc. But the mother did say some disturbing things like she hopes her daughter dies before she does and she also said about herself she can kill herself or keep loving her daughter. I think she was just expressing herself about how frustrated she is with society and how they view autism and there is nothing she can do about it.

The funny thing is the kids came off as normal but in some parts it really showed they do have autism like one of them having a temper tantrum and he was throwing things in a room. The kid in the park who pulled the little boy on the ground, the girl who can sing but at home it showed how she has difficulty communicating, yes her mother was the one who said all those things.
You can't see autism in someone unless you are with them long enough like if you see them everyday. They can come off as normal because you are seeing them for a short bit. Even I come off as normal but people aren't going to notice the difference in me until they are with me long enough. My boyfriend couldn't tell on the first day we met. But then it really showed when he saw me more and more.


So has anyone seen this movie? What did you think of it? Do you think they portrayed autism well, especially in a positive way?

You can watch the movie here:

http://www.movie-forumz.org/showthread.php?t=46185

Yeah I posted that movie. I got it from another site and copied and pasted the links.



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03 Aug 2008, 12:22 am

I saw it and it made me angry.

I saw the boy at the birthday party as communicating with behavior. Did you notice how he ran away from the group when they cheered him after he blew out the candle. He must have been very sensitive to the noise. I saw his actions toward the smaller child as an expression of "this gentle day is becoming painful for me." While yes, he has to learn not to do that he also needs to be validated and heard. Toward the end when he receives assisted technology his first words are "Mom I need to put you on the spot. You need to be a better listener."

I also saw the girl, the one who sings, type what she thought autism meant, that she used the word damaged, and the look on her face as she was getting up from the computer was heart breaking. I wondered who told her that she was damaged? She certainly isn't!

I heard one mother call it a disease, and that mad me angry as well.

Parents need support but they also need correct information.

These kids are autistic, not damaged, disorded, suffering things. What they are truly suffering from is lack of honest communication and lack of people who UNDERSTAND enough to listen.

Just my opinion, and the way it made me feel.


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03 Aug 2008, 1:20 am

i saw that, i liked it, my boyfriend pointed out that the boy with aspergers seemed to be the most autistic at times. i watched the girl who basically nonverbal except for echolalia sing beautiful music, or the little boy who was the ladies man(my boyfriend pointed out how thats going to be his son one day lol). the boy who yanked the little boy, i felt bad for the autistic and the little boy, the little boy didnt know what was going on, but the autistic seemed yet confused but what he did at first then smiled, but as disciplined he seemed upset like he didnt understand, which i know from experience. i liked it overall, it wasnt bad, it wasnt the best ive seen, but in my opinion it wasnt horrible, and im glad i saw it.


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03 Aug 2008, 3:43 am

I saw this movie and I liked it a lot. I didn't like the points that Bunni mentioned, but I saw that the parents were really trying to understand their children and I really appreciated that. There were some other points that I didn't like, mostly with Adam's mom and dad and classroom helper, but it seemed like even those people learned something positive about autism and that made me very happy.

WRT the mom saying that she hopes that her daughter dies before she does, I think I kind of understand what she's saying. She believes that if her daughter does need care all of her life that she is the best person to care for her, and she's worried that her daughter might end up in a place where she won't have her needs met and won't be cared for properly. A lot of mothers of children who have special needs worry about this. I have a son and I know that I am the best person to care for him. Sure, other people can watch him for awhile, but there are times when he needs his mom. I believe that there is no one, in most cases, who can best care for a child than that child's mother (until they are independent, that is). There are cases where that isn't true, of course, but for the majority of cases, that's how it is. She's just worried about her daughter and how she'll manage things when she's an adult, that's all. I hope that girl can find a way to live on her own successfully so her mother doesn't have to worry about her, and so the girl will have a good life.



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03 Aug 2008, 6:46 am

I saw this a few months ago. (when HBO accidentally left their movie page up) Except for a few parts, I really enjoyed it. If for nothing else, showing real children with autism interacting with each other. I thought that was really beautiful.



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04 Aug 2008, 5:24 pm

I saw it last night. Henry, is the closest to how I am. Wyatt, Henry and I would get along really well and we’d be a triple threat…

But then this morning, I had a dream about ATM. I had brought in little action figures of AHHHH Real Monsters….to share with the group…my way of showing them that I liked them. When it was time to go home for the day, I wanted to take them home with me. But the lady in charge of the Miracle Project (Neal’s mum) got angry with me that I wanted to do so…and then went on about “Why’d you bring them then?” One kid wouldn’t give them up as he was drawing them. And then I woke up to get ready for work but I woke up really upset and slightly crying.


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04 Aug 2008, 6:14 pm

Oh yeah, I've heard of that, but it's a shame I don't have HBO to watch it, though. :(



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05 Aug 2008, 2:48 am

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05 Aug 2008, 7:39 am

You can get it on NetFlix.



05 Aug 2008, 12:05 pm

You can watch it in the link I posted.



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05 Aug 2008, 12:39 pm

That was pretty cool, but Adam's mom seriously needs to chill out.

Was quite a surprise to see Stephen Stills in there =)


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05 Aug 2008, 2:33 pm

I started watching it just now and I encountered problems right away.

Exhibit A:

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In 1980, one in 10,000 children were diagnosed as autistic.
Today, it's one in 150.
(Centers for Disease Control statistics)
Exhibit B:
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"Autistic kids by nature are isolated. They're not supposed to be able to be spontaneous, be imaginative..."



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05 Aug 2008, 2:59 pm

I enjoyed it. A couple of the boys reminded me of my son. Some of moms talked a little crazy at times, but that was good for me to see that other parents feel overwhelmed at times.



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05 Aug 2008, 3:02 pm

The CDC tracks all kinds of things though, including stuff that's inherited and everybody knows is inherited.

A lot of parents with autistic kids want their kids to die before they do, so that they won't have to put the kids in the system. It could mean that the child lives to be 65 and the parent lives to be 85, though. It's a way of saying that you think your child wouldn't have any kind of life in an institution. Kind of sad when you'd want something like that... and ignores all the other options--independence, living with a relative of the same generation, group homes, marriage...


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05 Aug 2008, 3:45 pm

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"But this isn't a social change, it's a disease!"

I might have said "she can believe that if she wants to". I was going to write "okay then...". But then I realised that everyone who watches this movie will hear that statement, and some will believe it...it is spreading a false and negative impression about autism.



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05 Aug 2008, 3:50 pm

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"But this isn't a social change, it's a disease!"

I might have said "she can believe that if she wants to". I was going to write "okay then...". But then I realised that everyone who watches this movie will hear that statement, and some will believe it...it is spreading a false and negative impression about autism.


There were a lot of those. At a time when there needs to be more education, and understanding, perpetuating false information isn't particularly helpful.


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