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03 Aug 2008, 12:08 pm

It irritates the Sh1t out of me how sarcastic people use their sarcasm to get out of admitting that they're wrong and/or they said something they shouldnt have said. I dont buy this bullsh1t that sarcasm is a personality trait, its not. But the thing is that sarcasm is a fairly easy social game to learn and it seems to be one of the ONLY social games that aspies learn and when they do learn it they use it constantly. :x



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03 Aug 2008, 1:04 pm

I think the capability for sarcasm is different for each person. Everybody can use it, but to use it effectively...
My sister for example has no talent for sarcasm, she tries it, but it only makes people laugh about her.

And using sarcasm to avoid admitting mistakes.... I can imagine that. Admitting something can be really difficult and when sarcasm is seen as a good replacement, it can be an nice way to bring the truth in a different way.



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03 Aug 2008, 1:12 pm

Maybe it is a way to admit a mistake without overtly doing it? If everybody around you (well, the NTs, anyway) know what you mean, then maybe it is a way to admit it and still save face.

I use sarcasm mostly when I think something is extremely stupid or extremely obvious.


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03 Aug 2008, 1:30 pm

Haha, oh wow, I thought you were talking about 'Socratics' for a second there...



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03 Aug 2008, 1:35 pm

Socratics rule!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.



"Petulance is not sarcasm, and insolence is not invective."

Benjamin Disraeli

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03 Aug 2008, 1:41 pm

corroonb wrote:
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

There is sarcasm and sarcasm. A good comment on a certain moment has to walk a very fine line... blunt sarcasm is something everybody can do, but the sharp kind...



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03 Aug 2008, 1:43 pm

I prefer irony myself.



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03 Aug 2008, 2:06 pm

I always have problems understanding sarcasm unless it's clearly absurd based on the origin of the sarcasm. It's most difficult when I'm talking to someone with whom I have not spoken to great length because I'm not familiar with their studies and such.



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03 Aug 2008, 6:01 pm

corroonb wrote:
"Petulance is not sarcasm, and insolence is not invective."

Benjamin Disraeli

16 Dec 1852


Well, I have absolutely no idea what that means, but I'm sure that behind those big, archaic words is a serious point.

In my humble opinion (in other words, the truth is that) sarcasm is okay in small doses, but too much of it takes away the intended effect. I'm not sure if that's what Disraeli was saying, but that's what I'm saying.


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03 Aug 2008, 6:21 pm

Anyway, sometimes it helps to defend yourself from your enemies :shrug:



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03 Aug 2008, 8:18 pm

geez _-_ i cant tell when someones being sarcastic unless they make it really really obvious... (remembers being 3 years old and having her mom tell her to 'go fly a kite'... she never did explain it, and it disapointed me to be told the wind wasnt right for flying my nifty sailor moon kite) and nowadays i cant tell when i sound like im being sarcastic, cause sometimes a sarcastic tone of voice paired with something being said that isnt sarcastic can sound rude and/or bitchy, and my mom yells at me about it constantly (youd think shed be a bit nicer about it, rather than going off like dynamite every time)



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03 Aug 2008, 9:29 pm

Hodor wrote:
corroonb wrote:
"Petulance is not sarcasm, and insolence is not invective."

Benjamin Disraeli

16 Dec 1852


Well, I have absolutely no idea what that means, but I'm sure that behind those big, archaic words is a serious point.

It's basically a witty way of saying that when people claim they are being bitingly sarcastic, often they are actually being irritating, sullen and whiny.
And having a pop at Disraeli (1804-1881) for being old-fashioned? You might as well pick on Kafka for saying things in German.



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04 Aug 2008, 5:44 pm

Since wrote:
Hodor wrote:
corroonb wrote:
"Petulance is not sarcasm, and insolence is not invective."

Benjamin Disraeli

16 Dec 1852


Well, I have absolutely no idea what that means, but I'm sure that behind those big, archaic words is a serious point.

It's basically a witty way of saying that when people claim they are being bitingly sarcastic, often they are actually being irritating, sullen and whiny.
And having a pop at Disraeli (1804-1881) for being old-fashioned? You might as well pick on Kafka for saying things in German.


No particular offence is meant to Disraeli. I'm sure his sentence made perfect sense to the educated upper class of his time.


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04 Aug 2008, 6:54 pm

....And of ours?



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04 Aug 2008, 7:13 pm

I dont like getting compliments form my dad, becouse when I was younger he would be sarcastic in sted of telling me straigt off.

Now I go into a slight panic about what I did wrong when he compliments me.



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04 Aug 2008, 8:18 pm

Oh, definitely, sarcasm is awful. Why, with all the time wasted saying sarcastic things, wonderful doctoral dissertations could be written, and we'd have a cure for cancer! A little sarcasm now and again certainly can never be funny! (Cough, hint, hint, cough.)