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03 Sep 2008, 6:38 pm

So I was watching world news and researchers at Columbia University are saying now there is no link between the MMR inoculations and autism.

http://abcnews.go.com/wn


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03 Sep 2008, 6:40 pm

about time that damn thing was put to rest


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03 Sep 2008, 6:44 pm

Somehow I don't think this (or any amount of evidence) will dissuade the conspiracy theorists.


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03 Sep 2008, 6:46 pm

Your right Orwell, but maybe we can get some ground and get the word out about what autism really is since chances are this dribble won't be on the news anymore :mrgreen:


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03 Sep 2008, 6:53 pm

Nah, prior studies have also shown no link. The mercury militia ignores them or dismisses them as fabricated propaganda. And the media continues to give attention to them.


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03 Sep 2008, 6:58 pm

Sadly you have a point once again Orwell :cry: but perhaps as more evidence contradicts what they are saying maybe the general public will pay them less and less attention until no one cares what they say.


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03 Sep 2008, 7:22 pm

One can hope.


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03 Sep 2008, 8:43 pm

Why would a parent knowingly have their kid get a vaccine (minus the mercury debate) when the kid is already sick?

Knowing what I do now, our son had manifested GI problems and autistic behaviors before the MMR. That said, it didn't really benefit his physiology/biology, either. Some of his worst food allergies is gelatin, which is a key medium for a lot of vaccines.


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03 Sep 2008, 9:01 pm

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Why would a parent knowingly have their kid get a vaccine (minus the mercury debate) when the kid is already sick?

Knowing what I do now, our son had manifested GI problems and autistic behaviors before the MMR. That said, it didn't really benefit his physiology/biology, either. Some of his worst food allergies is gelatin, which is a key medium for a lot of vaccines.


Autism is not a disease its the manifestation of how a person's brain works. So if the vaccines are so bad why are medicine capsules still being made from it and why are people not upset about them too???


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03 Sep 2008, 9:26 pm

philosopherBoi wrote:
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Why would a parent knowingly have their kid get a vaccine (minus the mercury debate) when the kid is already sick?

Knowing what I do now, our son had manifested GI problems and autistic behaviors before the MMR. That said, it didn't really benefit his physiology/biology, either. Some of his worst food allergies is gelatin, which is a key medium for a lot of vaccines.


Autism is not a disease its the manifestation of how a person's brain works. So if the vaccines are so bad why are medicine capsules still being made from it and why are people not upset about them too???


You raise a good point with gelatin in the medicine capsules. I was pointing out only our son's unique medical state. He has a GI condition which, when exposed to proteins that his body is allergic to, can develop an immune response that can sometimes send out neurotoxins. In turn, they affect his behavior and neurologic function.

I agree that autism is not a disease but there are some quantified brain-gut or biochemical responses in a lot of people on the spectrum. It begs the question of how beneficial strategies such as the gluten-free/casein-free diets are.


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03 Sep 2008, 9:30 pm

MomofTom wrote:
I agree that autism is not a disease but there are some quantified brain-gut or biochemical responses in a lot of people on the spectrum. It begs the question of how beneficial strategies such as the gluten-free/casein-free diets are.


In my experience its a waste of money and time to go on a GFCF diet. Doesn't work for me and it certainly did nothing for my son.


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03 Sep 2008, 9:43 pm

lionesss wrote:
MomofTom wrote:
I agree that autism is not a disease but there are some quantified brain-gut or biochemical responses in a lot of people on the spectrum. It begs the question of how beneficial strategies such as the gluten-free/casein-free diets are.


In my experience its a waste of money and time to go on a GFCF diet. Doesn't work for me and it certainly did nothing for my son.


Quite a few Aspies have posted in the parents forum that cutting out gluton made them feel better, less foggy. So, for some, at least that part of the diet can have some benefit. And some people really are sensitive to milk products. These types of diet changes are not going to be a cure for being on the spectrum, but they may help with some relatively common related conditions for certain people on the spectrum. The concept shouldn't be tossed out in it's entirety, just reviewed carefully and put into its parts to help decide who might find it worth a try.


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03 Sep 2008, 10:02 pm

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Quite a few Aspies have posted in the parents forum that cutting out gluton made them feel better, less foggy. So, for some, at least that part of the diet can have some benefit. And some people really are sensitive to milk products. These types of diet changes are not going to be a cure for being on the spectrum, but they may help with some relatively common related conditions for certain people on the spectrum. The concept shouldn't be tossed out in it's entirety, just reviewed carefully and put into its parts to help decide who might find it worth a try.


yeah I know, and that may help some others but I just know from experience it did nothing for me and it didn't do anything for my son. But it could very well benefit others under the spectrum. What works for one may not necessarily work for someone else.


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03 Sep 2008, 10:06 pm

Orwell wrote:
Somehow I don't think this (or any amount of evidence) will dissuade the conspiracy theorists.
Ia gree. People will believe what they want to believe.



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03 Sep 2008, 10:11 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
lionesss wrote:
MomofTom wrote:
I agree that autism is not a disease but there are some quantified brain-gut or biochemical responses in a lot of people on the spectrum. It begs the question of how beneficial strategies such as the gluten-free/casein-free diets are.


In my experience its a waste of money and time to go on a GFCF diet. Doesn't work for me and it certainly did nothing for my son.


Quite a few Aspies have posted in the parents forum that cutting out gluton made them feel better, less foggy. So, for some, at least that part of the diet can have some benefit. And some people really are sensitive to milk products. These types of diet changes are not going to be a cure for being on the spectrum, but they may help with some relatively common related conditions for certain people on the spectrum. The concept shouldn't be tossed out in it's entirety, just reviewed carefully and put into its parts to help decide who might find it worth a try.


I tried deleting some out of my diet for alittle bit, and that was one of the times i went from 98lbs to 89lbs in over a week, because i slowly stopped eating altogether, everybody told me to just forget trying it, see no results anyways and i was getting deathly sick. I can agree i didnt give it enough time but it was more money, more time consuming, more differcult and it just wasnt a good idea for me. I also had myself tested for gluten and casien, no allergies to either.


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03 Sep 2008, 10:36 pm

Orwell wrote:
Somehow I don't think this (or any amount of evidence) will dissuade the conspiracy theorists.


YOU are obsessed with conpiracists..

you want to know what I think?.. Assuming you know what the Illuminati is by now, it's easier that way..
I call it the double sided coin trick.. If the illuminati tell the public that vaccines MAY cause autism, then what do people do?.. SOME people will stop giving their babies the vaccine, and therefore open them up to other diseases.. this is a real easy way to cause famine and death, potentially..
OR people will continue giving it to their babies while there is also a chance of poisoning.. not necessarily autism.. this is the distorted game that they can play with people.. If they say it causes autism, and people know better than to believe that, then they continue taking a vaccine which could actually cause worse things than autism.. Mercury IS damaging to the human body, and while it may not cause autism, that doesn't mean it doesn't cause somethign else, so you put the thought out of your mind and go PHEW..


true story, my mom and a guy she worked with refused to get a Flue shot at her workplace, because the boss said it was mandatory for everyone... well, everyone who took it got the flue, and her and the guy that didn't take it, didn't get the flue.. because flue shots are not healthy, as well as most vaccines are not.. I like natural health, not artificial health..