just a word of advice

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Aspie pride is a wonderful thing to have, and nobody should EVER feel ashamed about what they are, but I have seen a disturbing amount of aspie arrogance. For example, here is part of a post written with apparently no realization of the irony.

"The most annoying thing that a neurotypical actually has the delusion of thinking that he or she is better than the Aspergian. Neurotypical people are predominantly not worth knowing... If it is not direct hatred what really annoys me is their really fussy and condescending attitude. They make me sick"

Delusion of thinking they are better? Condescending attitude? Unless the original poster wanted to give a list and examples at the same time, I suggest you read over your post again and think about it.

I have also read posts that clearly show the poster feels superior for "resisting" the urge to follow the group. This is nonsense; Aspies are not a group of people who consciously decided to "throw off the shackles" of society, but a group that is not wired for social behavior.

When you act condescendingly to an NT and then smugly note their bad reaction as further proof of their horrible nature, you do nothing but further cement prejudice, on both sides.

I can understand perfectly why one would feel bitter, but to be downright nasty helps nothing, not even for the one being nasty.

There were some people a while back who wanted to kill all the NTs.

I do not encourage that kind of thinking on here either.

Do I think I'm better than NT's NO WAY! Do I like the stereotype behaviors of lets say College students (Football teams Gators,Sorority,bars,drunkenness,skipping classes/tests etc.) NO I DO NOT! So I much rather have ZERO friends etc. IMO you are there TO GET A CAREER AND MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF NOT GET DRUNK ETC.! !! ! So do I like the stereotype NT (not just College the whole party behavior mentality) NO! but that's what separates us from them they can get there DUI's end up in jail failing courses etc. while WE are succeding in LIFE!! !! (some more so than others but AS and no friends is better than the above IMO!)

Yeah, there's a lot of that stuff around here.

I think it's a bit stupid feeling superior for having what is essentially a developmental learning disorder. You don't see people with ADHD or dyslexia putting down non-hyperactive people or those who find it easy to write.

I also think that this 'us and them' attitude makes a lot more out of AS than it actually is. We're not a seperate species for god's sake, just slower to learn the unwritten rules than most people. If they actually spent time learning them and practicing them (even if it's not 'natural' or automatic at first), most people would be surprised how well they manage. The prevailing attitude of 'I find this harder than others, so I'm just not going to bother with it' is just laziness.

I also think most intelligent 'NTs' are just as logical as their aspie counterparts; they just take into account different variables when making decisions and actions (eg. the feelings of others, the social expectations). Pretending these do not exist doesn't make you a more logical or superior specimen of humanity.

Meh, that's my opinion anyway. Feel free to flame away.

Oh dear... I've spent a lot of my life learning 'facial geometry' in order to decode what is being expressed, and now I have to take 'interactive and social algebras'? Actually, I think that is one of the best explanations I've found yet... For each individual, different pieces of each equation are obscured (or variable) and has to be taken into account. Having the ability to substitute in values instead of solving for them would in part demonstrate the challenges faced by one on the spectrum in deciphering and understanding each scenario.


M.

Yes, there's quite a bit of that around here.

I think it's, in part, a self-esteem thing. There's resentment towards those who are naturally wired for social things (and thus have it somewhat easier in certain areas). They don't want to admit that they are disabled or disordered or whatever, so rather than acknowledge it for what it is, they'd rather claim that we're actually superior and that those who are wired for it (and not behind) are stupid/wrong/whatever.

It is hypocritical, and it is nasty, and unfortunately, most of them don't see that. In doing so, they put themselves not higher or even on the same levels as others, but even further behind than were they originally started. They're all ready at a social disadvantage but rather than try to learn, they'd rather isolate everyone else - not that they don't want contact or friends (I have no issue with those who isolate themselves because they don't want outside contact because they're not interested), necessarily, but simply out of nastiness and a wounded (although perhaps blind) ego. And they drag others down with them, because it's the label they use as a reason, and that pride and unwillingness becomes associated with the label and everyone else with it.

It's very irritating, as far as I'm concerned.

People are always trying to fit Different into a better or worse category, simply different just doesn't seem to be good enough.

I always found pride for simply, being, kinda fake. Being proud simply because you're a woman, gay, black, aspie or whatever feels like a cop out. Now being proud that you've succeeded, found happiness, overcome obstacles or basically accomplished something that was difficult despite the disadvantages your condition gives you, that is a good cause to be proud.

I think you are all letting a few bad apples spoil the bunch. While it is true there are those here that actively hate NT's, there are a great deal more, I think, who simply see themselves for what they really are.
No, we are not a different species. Such a notion is absurd. But neither is it fair to say we are disabled. We are, as I prefer to think, simply different. It is also quite unfair to call those that do not wish to participate in the social contract simply lazy. With all actions, there is a cost/benefit ratio, and for some on the spectrum, myself included, social interaction carries little personal benefit at great cost. I am happier with less friends than with more.

As someone just browsing these forums and ain't "one of you lot" I have to say the fact that so much differentiation takes place be it NT(had to google that) or any of the other acronyms in use makes it seems that people come across as just any other bigot does on the internet.

Considering these disorders while not anyone fault are their problem I think it is odd that so much resentment and lack of personal responsibility exists.

I might be speaking out of turn here of course but that is how it appears.

I also have an easier way of dealing with things, as i am not one of you or one of them I choose to hate everyone equally and without discrimination. Makes life so much easier.

I understand people being angry that they're seen as 'someone with a disorder', and wanting to point out that some good things come with AS (hyperfocus, etc).

I agree though hating NTs just for being NTs is not acceptable. I understand being bitter, and I also understand that many NTs do indeed sometimes place an unnecessarily high value on everyone being the same just for the sake of everyone being the same. But it does NOT follow from there that all NTs are the enemy.

I think it is ridiculous for someone to think that NT's are better than us- I don't think NT's are any less human than an aspie. I do think that NT's do misunderstand us, and I think sometimes we have to explain a little bit what our intentions are. Unlike what I think has become a stereotypical Aspie, I would rather have some friends instead of none- I feel better and I have a higher self-esteem because of it. Granted, some Aspies grow bitter towards people because of the bullying, but I think that with the right counseling and the right support, they can fit well with NT's. But for hating all of them.... no. I admit I was the victim of bullying, but I will not hold it against all NT's because they just didn't understand. I think that if an NT refuses to see what you are...let them go.

Agreed. Aspie Superiority is just silly. I've come across a couple of people on forums who believe that Aspies are more intelligent than NT's. I do think that opinion is in the minority though.

The other opinion that I've heard is that all NT's have it easy and don't have socializing problems. NT's have depression and anxiety too. They can also be shy and reserved. They're not all socialites.

thankyo OP for creating this thread I was oing to make one tomorrow but you took the words out of my mouth lol
I have been a member for 2 months now but the last month well July has had a crap load of crap spewing NT hatred I am calling them normies it just feels wrong to call normal people NT aka neurotypical because from history if you call something a name it simply loses meaning for example
NT originally to just call normal people
Now NT on this board is just a crude slate

I just want people to stop saying NT just say normal or speak in third person for startiers it commands a lot more respect and diginity rather making a complete arse of yourself

here are some examples of what I mean

typical normal hating aspie;
I got home from school today ad the pathetic NTs kids were mucking about and calling me name and as soon as I got home ny stuoid NT mum was asking stupid questions and givng me odd looks
Why are NTs so idiotic

A more balanced aproach
I went to school today and some ordinary guys were jossling me around not understanding my discomfort of rough social interaction but worst of all I got home and my mum who by no signs is asergic like me just looked at me freaked out and has done so for a while
Why don't normal people understand me

Please guys just think before you type when using that horrible term NT

thak you and Kudos to the OP

I was talking about this to my sister earlier today. Geez, some people are dumb....

This is why this website gets to much bad criticsm; it's morons like that who make us look bad!

Yeah, we shouldn't EVER think that we are better than NT's on the grounds that we have aspergers. That's so arrogant!

@ Stevie: I don't think the word neurotypical is wrong in itself, it just means typical or normal. It's only when it's used in hate speech that it's wrong, if you ask me.

I think calling non-Aspergians normal or ordinary escalates the difference between us, because it implies that we are not normal, that we are a disorder first and people second.

I also do not understand the AS superiority complex.

Personally, I don't really see any benefit in my own life that is truly conveyed by AS. Maybe some focus and direction in earlier years, but if I were a driven NT, I could have accomplished much more in my life simply by social acceptance leading towards better networks in which to develop both my mind and career.

Yes, I'm pretty good with computers, but there's not any doubt at all in my mind that if I had the social skills and network to do things like discuss how various aspects of programming, design, and other areas worked, I'd be a lot better off.

And, obviously, I'd be a whole lot more productive if I weren't chained to my computer all the time.

And that's purely looking at the 'special interest' area, in which AS supposedly conveys an advantage.


Now, what I describe is my own experience. I do not claim to be speaking for anyone else.