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21 Aug 2008, 8:27 pm

My special ed adviser, an expert in all things autism, believes that Asperger's and HFA present differently in girls. The core symptoms are still there: social illiteracy, repetitive behavior and resistance to change, sensory sensitivity. However, the particulars (or secondary symptoms like clumsiness) tend to separate Asperger's girls and boys.

Her claims about girls:
--Girl aspies are less likely to lack imaginative play. In fact, many female aspies retreat into make-believe worlds to escape from difficult social realities.
--While boy aspies tend to become obsessed with science, technology, and math, the most common obsessions in girl aspies appear to be literature and animals.
--Boy aspies are easier to diagnose because they are more likely than girl aspies to lash out.
--While boy aspies accept their lack of empathy as simply a boost to their capacity for logical thinking, girl aspies have a tendency to seek out emotional stimulation. Of course girls have the same autistic objectivity, but they are more likely to try to overcome it. This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.
--With boys, social difficulties are more likely to result from compulsions and rituals. With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions, whether the focus is on pet subjects or people.

Now, my teacher and I agree that these are not universals; no one wants to make generalizations. However, there is a definite pattern. A pattern into which I fit almost perfectly.

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21 Aug 2008, 8:32 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:

Her claims about girls:
--Girl aspies are less likely to lack imaginative play. In fact, many female aspies retreat into make-believe worlds to escape from difficult social realities.

--While boy aspies tend to become obsessed with science, technology, and math, the most common obsessions in girl aspies appear to be literature and animals.

--Boy aspies are easier to diagnose because they are more likely than girl aspies to lash out.

--While boy aspies accept their lack of empathy as simply a boost to their capacity for logical thinking, girl aspies have a tendency to seek out emotional stimulation. Of course girls have the same autistic objectivity, but they are more likely to try to overcome it. This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.

--With boys, social difficulties are more likely to result from compulsions and rituals. With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions, whether the focus is on pet subjects or people.


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I agree alot of these are true for me

such as:

- Girl aspies are less likely to lack imaginative play. In fact, many female aspies retreat into make-believe worlds to escape from difficult social realities.

definately me when I was young I could go for hours playing pretend with myself playing, school, house, and all sorts of weird things like that. I still do it occasionally though nnow with different interests


--While boy aspies tend to become obsessed with science, technology, and math, the most common obsessions in girl aspies appear to be literature and animals.

When I was young i tried to write a report on ants for the fun of it in the school yard ;)
Also one of my main obsession for the few years have been The Harry Potter World


--This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.

i hate to admit i have some pretty morbid interests my self but i keep these interests to my self. In a way these carry on the imaginary play thing retreating into my own world but pretending some pretty morbid things are happening to me. ( Lets just say I watch too much of the tv show Law and Order SVU)


--With boys, social difficulties are more likely to result from compulsions and rituals. With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions, whether the focus is on pet subjects or people.


yup im way too obssessed with harry potter and i love to discuss it



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21 Aug 2008, 8:32 pm

I guess that must make me a girl, then.



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21 Aug 2008, 8:37 pm

I am not diagnosed but if you do not mind my input; I will contribute.

-- imaginative play. This is very true of me.
-- science, technology, and math In between here...Science and Literature for me.
--Boy aspies are more likely than girl aspies to lash out. I was the girl who lashed out.
--While boy aspies accept their lack of empathy I am a girl who lacks empathy. I admit it but have trouble with acceptance.
-- With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions This could be said of me. I personally have never viewed my obsessions as a 'problem'.



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21 Aug 2008, 8:37 pm

All of those are true for me, except the last one. I'm not sure what that one means exactly, so I can't make a decision one way or another.



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21 Aug 2008, 9:17 pm

Those are all true of me, strangely enough. 8O It wouldn't surprise me if the symptoms differ like that for gender.



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21 Aug 2008, 9:25 pm

Quote:
Her claims about girls:
--Girl aspies are less likely to lack imaginative play. In fact, many female aspies retreat into make-believe worlds to escape from difficult social realities.

Make-believe worlds? Yup.

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--While boy aspies tend to become obsessed with science, technology, and math, the most common obsessions in girl aspies appear to be literature and animals.

Well I like science, and am vaugly interested in tech. But I love literature and animals. :D

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--Boy aspies are easier to diagnose because they are more likely than girl aspies to lash out.

Dunno about this one.

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--While boy aspies accept their lack of empathy as simply a boost to their capacity for logical thinking, girl aspies have a tendency to seek out emotional stimulation. Of course girls have the same autistic objectivity, but they are more likely to try to overcome it. This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.

Not sure about this one, but I suppose I am on the morbid side. I consider myself to be a "goth".

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--With boys, social difficulties are more likely to result from compulsions and rituals. With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions, whether the focus is on pet subjects or people.

My obsessions can be a problem, yeah. But I have problems with compulsions, too.


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21 Aug 2008, 9:28 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:
This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.


uh, no. I'd say it's equal.


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21 Aug 2008, 9:28 pm

More like, GIRLS just want to have fun. Isn't that how the song goes?


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21 Aug 2008, 9:43 pm

Well, do you think there is often a difference between boys with Asperger's and girls (not always; no stereotypes :)), not just in your particular case but in many?


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21 Aug 2008, 10:08 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:

--While boy aspies accept their lack of empathy as simply a boost to their capacity for logical thinking, girl aspies have a tendency to seek out emotional stimulation. Of course girls have the same autistic objectivity, but they are more likely to try to overcome it. This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.
--With boys, social difficulties are more likely to result from compulsions and rituals. With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions, whether the focus is on pet subjects or people.

Now, my teacher and I agree that these are not universals; no one wants to make generalizations. However, there is a definite pattern. A pattern into which I fit almost perfectly.

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Oh wow, I think she's right! I enjoy walking in cemeteries and reading the dates and how old the people were, and watching Ghost Hunters and Paranormal State on TV. For quite some time I've had this intense interest in reading tragic stories with related hauntings and have even considered being a ghost hunter myself. I hate to sound like I'm obsessed with death, I don't think that's the case at all. It's just that I see/read about strange occurrences and it really fascinates me as to what's really happening and if these real people with a tragic ending are really out there trying to communicate.


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21 Aug 2008, 10:10 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:
Well, do you think there is often a difference between boys with Asperger's and girls (not always; no stereotypes :)), not just in your particular case but in many.


It 'presents' differently in everybody.

Certainly I never lacked 'imaginative play', and my obsession with Ferraris extends to their beauty as well as their mechanical excellence.


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21 Aug 2008, 10:11 pm

Actually I should just say I think all of that relates to me. From a fairly young age (really as far back as I can remember) I've been retreating to my own secret world made up in my head, where I can be whatever I want and control the outcomes and all that.


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21 Aug 2008, 10:11 pm

Thanks a lot for the info and I agree. Can I join the WP Auschwitz Girls club?



21 Aug 2008, 10:27 pm

I have figured boys and girls were effected differently by it. I did imaginative play as a child. I wrote stories starting in 4th grade but they were about my cat. I stopped writing and started again at age 12. but this time it was about London and 101 Dalmatians.
I had morbid interests as a kid. I did get obsessed with certain people or characters. I am obsessed with Sam and Joon now. :D
But I did attack other kids as a child when I got bullied.

I would say I do fit the AS girls profile even though I played with boy toys, Lincoln logs, blocks, BRIO trains, Tinker Toys, Knex, Legos, matchbox cars. But I did pretend play with them.



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21 Aug 2008, 10:27 pm

That describes me to a tee.


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