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22 Aug 2008, 9:11 am

Hi,

Does any of you knwo whether the ingesting of hallucinogenics has you become more NT? it certainly does for me.


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22 Aug 2008, 9:26 am

hallucinogenics=?



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22 Aug 2008, 9:40 am

UndercoverAlien wrote:
hallucinogenics=?

peyote, San pedro, Ayahuasca, LSD, ANd othere drug related substances like marihuana, hashees...psychotropics basically


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22 Aug 2008, 10:13 am

strange didn't knew there whas sort of drugs like that but what are even the side-effects?
altough i dont want to change the way i act but i would like to change my "disorders"
like consentration problems and having a bad "balance" and anxiety and so on...



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22 Aug 2008, 10:48 am

Yep...they sorta did for me to an extent sometimes..very unpredictable though. Sometimes the opposie would occur...though soemtimes I would be very lucid and social and talkative and it was almost impossible to tell I was on hallucinognens.



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22 Aug 2008, 10:54 am

well i haven't really done many hallucinogenics, only one actually, and it didn't make me more NT, it just f****d me right up. I don't think Salvia's what you had in mind though. i'd like to try some of the more "fun" hallucinogenics at some point, salvia was just easy to get and cheap, i had a day off from work randomly so i went to a hemp shop, got some, and tried it.



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22 Aug 2008, 10:59 am

Very limited experiences with hallucinogenics here, but in my case, no. If anything, I get even more out there. Alcohol however, does make me seem a lot more normal. I'm one of those that nobody can even tell if I've been drinking or not.



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22 Aug 2008, 11:05 am

During use, no. However I have taken LSD and for a good 2-6 weeks afterwards I do not stim, I make social interaction without anxiety, I feel like I walk different, I talk with more inflection, I make more eye contact, and have great organizational and time management skills.

It gradually fades away though, and I have to say after about 10 years of not doing any drugs I can't say there were any beneficial long-term effects.



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22 Aug 2008, 11:13 am

When I did do hallucinogens, there was always this somewhat lingering feeling as though I had pushed a "reset" button on my mind and unscrambled a bunch of mental "knots" and hangups...I would alwyas bouce back to my normal neurotic self though....

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I lack the drive to do hallucinogens due to the um...unpredictablilty factor...I am in agreement on the salvia...It may work for some people, and I def. don't think it should be illegal, but it is not for me..and left confusing marks on my psyche for a long time after the brief experiences I have had...I still reflect upon those experiences with puzzlement.



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22 Aug 2008, 11:29 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
I lack the drive to do hallucinogens due to the um...unpredictablilty factor...I am in agreement on the salvia...It may work for some people, and I def. don't think it should be illegal, but it is not for me..and left confusing marks on my psyche for a long time after the brief experiences I have had...I still reflect upon those experiences with puzzlement.

i'm still confused about what exactly went on. i've got some left and i've thought about using it again, but i'm just so damn confused about what went on that i decide not to do it. it's really weird.



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22 Aug 2008, 11:51 am

What's its mode of action?

Does it alleviate anxiety? Does it cut down on obsessive thinking (I know they're doing trials of LSD for OCD)?

You need to define the "Autistic" symptoms that are alleviated, and then compare it to what the drug in question actually does.

If it cuts down on anxiety, you'll probably be able to interact without inhibitions, but you'll still be as socially ret*d as you always are (a totally sedated Daniel is a Daniel who interacts no different for anxiety isn't what holds him back from social interaction). If it takes away obsessive thoughts, does it perhaps make you see a clarity that you haven't experienced before?

A word of warning, people with ASDs are more sensitive to the effects of drugs compared to the normal population; whether being affected too greatly for the same dose, or an in-built tolerance.



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22 Aug 2008, 12:00 pm

I felt more connected to my surroundings....there is a euphoria...which does alleviate anxiety...but there was also a sorta feeling like I was "in" this world...rather than in the bubble of my mind....always bumping into things. ..i felt....um...sensorally 'integrated"

this is a better case scenario, mind you....there have also been bad or neutral experiences...where I just became even weirder....likesay..completely nonverbal...very confused...paranoid.....etc....

so like I said..not knowing what my experience is going to be prevents me from having any drive to try anything...also....environment is very important...



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22 Aug 2008, 1:06 pm

Apparently ecstasy can make one more NT, it increases oxytocin levels which reduces stress and facilitates social interaction.
I am afraid if I ever do drugs at all they will just make me more stimmy.


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22 Aug 2008, 1:23 pm

Known as the plant of death, is a vine that grows in the amazon and used by indigenous shamans. It has been used recently by westerners and some have been cured of tumours, cancer, diabetes. it is considered a sacred plant, a mother plant and in such way you talk to her when and before you take her. It is a very yucky drink, smells, etc but one can have visions of his own past present and future and see his flaws.

I usally get in trance adn communicate with god, devil spirits...no joke! I become a medium thorugh whcih various entities speak to others, usually to my partner. And it is not something that only Ayahuasca or sanpedro does as I first thought but I get in trance quite quickly even with Marihuana, whcih I started taking because of the lack of Caapi, Yagé (both indigenous names for Ayahuasca). Anyways, I do change, am more tactile, laugh, am mild and loving to my environment, but spirits take possession of me, like the devil (the first and last time I hope).

I truly incarnate him in posture and speech! " days after I am back to my aspie self, so I wished I could be constantly on those drugs, but I am no addict , I have been without for months without side effects. ayahuasca cleans you mentally, spiritually and physically, the trip may last form 1 hr to 6 and has to be taken in the dark, one does not support light or noise at all, and probbaly for me that is more severe as an aspie? Some people vomit after ingestion of a small glass of the plan's juice. Shaman mostly not, i don't vomit at all.


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22 Aug 2008, 1:27 pm

Aurore wrote:
Apparently ecstasy can make one more NT, it increases oxytocin levels which reduces stress and facilitates social interaction.
I am afraid if I ever do drugs at all they will just make me more stimmy.


i seem to be somewhat immune to that...have never had a good experience....really i have hardly noticed anything...the couple of times I tried it.



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22 Aug 2008, 1:42 pm

I can become much more social on hallucinogenics, but that may have something to do with the fact that I tend to take them in very specific social situations. Strange, I know, but I take them mostly to dance, and dancing is a very social thing, even when dancing alone in a place with people. (Even dancing alone is social, from my point of view, between yourself and the musician)

Oddly, my ability to get completely lost in a video game usually dissipates when I take them. For some reason, even though it's usually utterly fascinating to me, I become completely disinterested in sorting out what's happening on the screen, and completely apathetic towards actually accomplishing any goals in-game.

A friend of mine, who had met me on hallucinogens a few times before coming and hanging out at my house, once commented that I was "a lot more boring than I came off as." I take that to mean that my demeanor on them is more engaging to people than when I'm not.

Maybe? I'm not sure.