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Loborojo
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28 Aug 2008, 1:36 pm

I was extremely imamture when I was 18 and I am astounded to read the posts here by 16 and 18 year olds. I wonder why I was like that, eventhough I went through horrors of child abuse and dysfunctional family life, my life long depression, one would think one ages quicker in the brain. and yet I remained immature in thinking wya up until my thirties, even in my late thirties I heard from people "grow up".

I am envious of the posts here written by teenagers and twens. Will I have the maturity of an 40 year old when I am seventy? For that's how it feels at 49 reading posts by people in thier thirties. I assume that having traveled all my life like a nomad around the world, I have picked up on the road and by falling and getting up, some social skills and cues, but I still feel I am not mature for my age.

Oh, yes I read non-fiction and intellectually I have great conversations in the topics I love and I have an opinion or two on many subjects. Never been to Uni because I thought I couldn't do it, I have no idea how to organize myself with paperwork.

I suffered from low self-esteem for decades, my art pulled me above it, but it hasn't completely gone.

Is it a blessing or a curse...maturity as I suffer already enough by knowing too much of this planet.


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28 Aug 2008, 1:44 pm

When I was in my teens, everybody thought I'm very mature for my age. Mostly because of me being a very quiet person.
Nowadays I feel very immature too, compared to others of my age or even people in their twenties. Maybe that's for never being married, never had children, so nobody I had to be responsible for. Not even for myself to some extend.


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28 Aug 2008, 2:22 pm

I think being small and immature is heaven and being mature, knowing all the problems in the world and having to take responsibility for some bad things happening, I think it's more of a curse then a blessing.



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28 Aug 2008, 2:23 pm

I agree, that's why it makes us so misarable at times and depressed


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28 Aug 2008, 2:26 pm

yes, I agree I know too much.
and yes, I confess I try to learn more.
I think this world is to learn about mind and emotions.
but then, it might just be my path.
and something different for others

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28 Aug 2008, 3:05 pm

you should be proud of being more immature than your peers. only few have the gift to stay that way. the people telling you to grow up are just envious.


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28 Aug 2008, 3:10 pm

I mean the way to maturely reason intellectually


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28 Aug 2008, 3:46 pm

f**k MATURITY! i'm gonna be a kid forever cuz being a adult is boring & stupid. My parents & everybody else tells me the same thing "grow up" they don't understand that i probably won't grow up as much as i am right now i'm a 21 yr old that act like about a 10 or 11 yr old it's hard sometimes & i hate it


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28 Aug 2008, 4:45 pm

Intellectual maturity (higher analytical skills and all that) and the ability to do things with one's life and take care of oneself are good things, for sure. I hardly think one could argue against that. However, the version of "maturity" that people are always shove on me, that I'm probably not going to do anything that important or great however hard I try, so it's best to give up my ideals and settle for more commonplace goals instead, since hey, millions of people do and care about such things, so why shouldn't I too, is just defeatism under another name. I'm playing their game to the extent I want to and have to, things like going to college and living on my own, but I have my own goals. As I see it, I've already done and come through things that others might've thought impossible, so why should I settle for their "maturity" and accept and achieve less in my life by their standards of what's doable and worthy of aspiring to?



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28 Aug 2008, 5:28 pm

absolutely!
When I was 15 I made my first 8 pages in pencil of a comic story and all my dad had to say was:you will never finish this, and I didn't (probably because of his negative attitude, now he was a selftaught painter and had such an attiude with), but I did become painter and illustrator. And I made a vow I would travel and I have visited 58 countries in my lifetime.

Only last year, my dad admitted that he doesn't have the guts to stay abroad that long, because he misses 'home' when he is only a fortnight away abroad.

But parents do the same, when child gets up a ladder or a staircase, they usually are so gripped by fear they say, 'come down, you will fall' insteda of saying: 'go ahead, I am with you!'

The more people say 'don't do it, I will do it against all odds. One can listen to advice and suggestions but life teaches us all that listening to experiences from anohter don't give us ours. We all have to go through our own sufferings, whcih matures us and sometimes nurtures us.


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28 Aug 2008, 6:59 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
yes, I agree I know too much.
and yes, I confess I try to learn more.
I think this world is to learn about mind and emotions.
but then, it might just be my path.
and something different for others

Merle


Heck, I am the SAME way, and it seems many here are.



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29 Aug 2008, 2:08 am

Loborojo wrote:
absolutely!
When I was 15 I made my first 8 pages in pencil of a comic story and all my dad had to say was:you will never finish this, and I didn't (probably because of his negative attitude, now he was a selftaught painter and had such an attiude with), but I did become painter and illustrator. And I made a vow I would travel and I have visited 58 countries in my lifetime.
Only last year, my dad admitted that he doesn't have the guts to stay abroad that long, because he misses 'home' when he is only a fortnight away abroad.
But parents do the same, when child gets up a ladder or a staircase, they usually are so gripped by fear they say, 'come down, you will fall' insteda of saying: 'go ahead, I am with you!'
The more people say 'don't do it, I will do it against all odds. One can listen to advice and suggestions but life teaches us all that listening to experiences from anohter don't give us ours. We all have to go through our own sufferings, whcih matures us and sometimes nurtures us.

this is the best answer to your original post in this thread.

my father was the same, when i did something he always found some mistake in it, while others were saying how nice it was. i didn't listen to him when telling me to come down of the ladder and now i am so far up that he cannot see me anymore from down there and what he thinks of it? he admires me now, after all those decades trying to undermine me.


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29 Aug 2008, 2:35 am

In the days of the Roman Empire, when they feted conquering heroes with chariot rides in the streets to flower strewing adoring crowds to the Emperor's Steps, they had a guy ride in the chariot that stood behind the hero in the chariot. His job was to whisper into the hero's ear that all was vanity, that the crowd would be asking for his head had he not come home victorious and of course, that he was never the man the emperor was. . .

it was their way of reminding those whose heads might be turned, to toe the line.

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29 Aug 2008, 2:40 am

sinsboldly wrote:
In the days of the Roman Empire, when they feted conquering heroes with chariot rides in the streets to flower strewing adoring crowds to the Emperor's Steps, they had a guy ride in the chariot that stood behind the hero in the chariot. His job was to whisper into the hero's ear that all was vanity, that the crowd would be asking for his head had he not come home victorious and of course, that he was never the man the emperor was. . .

it was their way of reminding those whose heads might be turned, to toe the line.

ok, i have to 'toe the line'.... :)


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29 Aug 2008, 8:45 am

I have always considered maturity to be both a blessing and a curse.

Throughout middle and high-school, people have told me that I was mature for my age. My teachers loved me for it, and many of my peers resented or rejected me for it.

It was somewhat hurtful, but I loved being able to think through my actions and make right decisions, rather than acting instinctively and impulsively like the other kids.
I observed how they often took the consequences for thier rash decisions (like cursing at the teacher, smoking, etc.), and continued to make the decisions. And then complained that they are always in trouble! If you don't want the consequences, then don't do the action. Duh! :roll:


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