Normative Conformity

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Normative conformity
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17338

I'm thinking that this is the heart of the Asperger's issue.
Not the WTC7 stuff, but the herd mentality and the refusal to look at objective reality.

Add my basic lack of herd-instinct to a basic compassion, and you've got a potential whistle-blower. So that's why everyone hates me so much. And if I can find a way to explain it so that they will actually understand, they'll hate me all the more.

When the guy is this little video was asked whether there was anything his victim could have said or done to make him stop, and he said, "No..." That's it, right there. The ultimate, root of all evil. I just want to move to a desert somewhere and become a hermit. Is there any hope at all for this species?

Am I off the track here? Or is this not what Asperger's is about?
Am I in the right group?

And by the way, concerning all those shiny new Halliburton concentration camps that have sprung up all over the country... guess who will be first in line? The ethnic thing is worn out. They'll need a new group of losers that no one will want to defend.

that reminds me of a dream i had last night... i had a dream these cops were chasing me and my stepbrother allthroughout this land and forest, and we outsmarted them and started killing them.. it was fun.. coulda been a movie

May I ask what you mean by “objective reality”?

Objective reality is when you look at a duck
and call it a duck. It is not very complicated.

Or -- it would not be complicated, except that they want
to break you whenever you display this amazing talent.

There's no such thing as objective reality, or at least none that we can define since we can only describe it based on our own subjective experience, which is filtered by our senses and interpreted based on cultural norms and past personal experiences. A "duck" is called a "duck" because we've developed a classification schema which calls a "bird" with certain characteristics a "duck". Just look at how classification schemas differ across culture and history.

For further discussion of how subjective "reality" really is, look into quantum mechanics.

Regarding the conflict of Aspie and NT, I think both groups make the mistake of assuming that their perception of reality is the objective one, and that is where a lot of conflicts and intolerance come from.

It's arrogance to assume that you are that one unique person in history who truly perceives the "objective reality."

The objective reality is the duck, not what it's called in a particular language or culture. Even the most objective of us have our own biases, but for some, seeing through the social illusions to some part of objective reality is a major part of their makeup. It innoculates against groupthink -- the socially constructed versions of reality. I don't see any evidence that it's fundamental to Asperger's, at least not as Asperger's is currently understood. At the same time, I have to say that most of the people I've come across on the web who do think that way, are on the spectrum. But that could simply be a selection bias.

That's the point. I do not believe that I am alone. I believe that everyone who has really looked at the evidence and refuses to admit to what is happening is lying. Why they are doing this I do not know. I'm also having a hard time understanding why people refuse to look.

Honesty = arrogance. I've been struggling with that one all my life.
Did you look at that little video and judge those black lines on the piece of cardboard?
Can we at least call that "objective reality?"

Some things are actually much more simple than society makes them.
Why people lie is a complicated question. The fact that they lie is simple and obvious.

Why is it acceptable to kill people by the thousands, but asking "why" is rude?

Those black lines are what they are. It's not that hard.

This is herd mentality in a nutshell.

Modern society, and even our best psychiatrists, judge us as sane or insane simply on the basis of how well we conform to “cultural norms.” The amazing talent of being able to cut through the insanity of one’s own culture is, by definition, insane. My objection is to this basic premise. The premise itself is insane.

How can an objective person hope to develop a “theory of mind” when everyone around you lies with every breath and with every gesture?

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in psychiatry anyway but I'd rather be called insane than conform to something I don't believe simply on the basis of a majority consensus. One has to be able to think for oneself and if that means seperating from the mass, then so be it. I think of it as averages. The majority is the average. That doesn't say much for credibility.

This is because society and Psychiatrists exist first and foremost with the purpose of looking after the interests of the powers that be. Conformism is a tool of domination. If you want to control your underwear, you fold them all in the same shape and size so you can pile them neatly in the drawer and they'll be easily manageable.

I've fired my shrink, many years ago because of that.

Nowadays, I don't conform to the mainstream, and I'm living better than I was, when I was pretending to be like everybody else.