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30 Sep 2008, 11:44 pm

I was wondering, people on here talk about having different brains, not a disability or any sort of problem. So, if we're going to talk about brain diversity, what other types of brains are there? There's neurotypical, autism spectrum, and what else? There are plenty of neurological disorders, but are any of them merely different types of brains?



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30 Sep 2008, 11:49 pm

I think if autism is included in neurodiversity (as I believe it should) we must also include William's Syndrome, since it's supposedly the total opposite. (Though I had a Williams' friend, and we got along unusually well.)


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30 Sep 2008, 11:55 pm

William's Syndrome? I've never heard of it. I just googled it. Interesting. Is William's Syndrome okay to live with, or is it debilitating? Does it vary? This is cool. Neurodiversity is an interesting idea.



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01 Oct 2008, 12:15 am

Malsane wrote:
William's Syndrome? I've never heard of it. I just googled it. Interesting. Is William's Syndrome okay to live with, or is it debilitating? Does it vary? This is cool. Neurodiversity is an interesting idea.


Apparently it's rather debilitating, though you would never know it having a conversation with an affected person. Scott (the guy) couldn't tie his shoes or do basic math but you could have these long, comfy conversations with him, where even I didn't feel awkward. Apparently it varies but not quite as much as autism seems to. There are also William's savants!


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01 Oct 2008, 12:16 am

I used to think that it was a bad idea to label people but now I think it's beneficial because it allows others to see how that person thinks.
Many people are not familiar with the Myers Briggs personality test, but that is probably the best test that I know of which accurately describes the personality. So, since it is not something that we instantly recognize as lay people, how about we start our own labels.

I admit that I am ret*d when it comes to anything technical, I hate details. If someone were to judge me by watching me try to manage my computer they would certainly think I'm a dip s**t. On the upside, I am a big picture thinker. I love theories and philosophy.
If we recognized each others strengths and weaknesses and accepted their labels, we should be able to progress to a higher intellectual level.
We do this easily when it comes to occupations but on a personal level, it would be nice to instantly see where someone is coming from to avoid any unnecessary misinterpretations about the person.

I like to make up things so I'm doing this for fun and if you want to add great if not I won't feel slighted. "Nobody Cares!" :lol:

Anyway here goes,

I am Anais Nin reincarnated. :lol:

Can we label ourselves by using dead people whom we admire?


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01 Oct 2008, 12:26 am

We can label ourselves however we like. Mostly, I hate labels, but I see how they can have a use, as long as we use them as descriptions, and not box people in. It can take a long time to communicate a behavior, thought pattern, or emotion without using some sort of labels. By saying, "I'm an aspie, I was having a shutdown," I can communicate a lot in a short phrase. Then, I can qualify that statement to reflect me on a more personal level. Like by saying, "The fluorescent lights were giving me a headache, and there were too many people in the room." Or I could say, in another example, "I'm kind of OCD, but I only have a problem with germs, not rituals or repetitive motions."



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01 Oct 2008, 12:49 am

Malsane wrote:
I was wondering, people on here talk about having different brains, not a disability or any sort of problem. So, if we're going to talk about brain diversity, what other types of brains are there? There's neurotypical, autism spectrum, and what else? There are plenty of neurological disorders, but are any of them merely different types of brains?


wiki says

Some groups apply the concept of neurodiversity to bipolar disorder, ADHD,[2] developmental speech disorders, Parkinson's disease, as well as dyslexic, dyspraxic, hyperactive people.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity


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01 Oct 2008, 12:52 am

But, Parkinson's will kill you. That is a real disease. I'm not sure if I buy that. Yeah, they're different kinds of brains, but is there anything good about dyslexia?



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01 Oct 2008, 1:31 am

The dyslexic people I know learn through experimentation more so than by being told what is correct. It's a double edge sword.


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01 Oct 2008, 9:58 am

Well, just because one doesn't see the positive results of having a certain condition it doesn't mean they're not there.


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01 Oct 2008, 10:08 am

Aurore wrote:
I think if autism is included in neurodiversity (as I believe it should) we must also include William's Syndrome, since it's supposedly the total opposite. (Though I had a Williams' friend, and we got along unusually well.)


Did you perhaps discover this terminology from the video series "House"? If not, I find it very synchronistic considering that until yesterday I had not been aware of this syndrome. And here we are today, discussing it. Fascinating.


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01 Oct 2008, 10:14 am

Aurore wrote:
I think if autism is included in neurodiversity (as I believe it should) we must also include William's Syndrome, since it's supposedly the total opposite. (Though I had a Williams' friend, and we got along unusually well.)


It's not really the opposite. People with Williams syndrome tend to be really friendly and talkative, but their social skills are very superficial. It is usually difficult for them to carry on a real conversation- they tend to exhibit "cocktail party speech" (like those with NLD) and don't understand social norms. They might walk up to people randomly and start a conversation, but then break it off randomly and go talk to someone else, or they may change topics randomly. So they don't actually have good social skills. They also often have the same problems with visual-spatial skills as people with NLD do.


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01 Oct 2008, 10:20 am

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Aurore wrote:
I think if autism is included in neurodiversity (as I believe it should) we must also include William's Syndrome, since it's supposedly the total opposite. (Though I had a Williams' friend, and we got along unusually well.)


Did you perhaps discover this terminology from the video series "House"? If not, I find it very synchronistic considering that until yesterday I had not been aware of this syndrome. And here we are today, discussing it. Fascinating.


Ooh, I haven't seen that episode yet. That must have been episode 3 of season 5. I haven't downloaded that one yet (I thought House aired on Wednesday actually). I'll have to check it out.


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01 Oct 2008, 10:49 am

LostInSpace wrote:
Psimulus wrote:
Aurore wrote:
I think if autism is included in neurodiversity (as I believe it should) we must also include William's Syndrome, since it's supposedly the total opposite. (Though I had a Williams' friend, and we got along unusually well.)


Did you perhaps discover this terminology from the video series "House"? If not, I find it very synchronistic considering that until yesterday I had not been aware of this syndrome. And here we are today, discussing it. Fascinating.


Ooh, I haven't seen that episode yet. That must have been episode 3 of season 5. I haven't downloaded that one yet (I thought House aired on Wednesday actually). I'll have to check it out.


It is streamed free from the fox website in HD


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01 Oct 2008, 1:54 pm

LostInSpace wrote:

It's not really the opposite. People with Williams syndrome tend to be really friendly and talkative, but their social skills are very superficial. It is usually difficult for them to carry on a real conversation- they tend to exhibit "cocktail party speech" (like those with NLD) and don't understand social norms. They might walk up to people randomly and start a conversation, but then break it off randomly and go talk to someone else, or they may change topics randomly. So they don't actually have good social skills. They also often have the same problems with visual-spatial skills as people with NLD do.


Weird... that totally sounds like my husband. No wonder we get along so well.


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01 Oct 2008, 3:16 pm

Psimulus wrote:
Aurore wrote:
I think if autism is included in neurodiversity (as I believe it should) we must also include William's Syndrome, since it's supposedly the total opposite. (Though I had a Williams' friend, and we got along unusually well.)


Did you perhaps discover this terminology from the video series "House"? If not, I find it very synchronistic considering that until yesterday I had not been aware of this syndrome. And here we are today, discussing it. Fascinating.


Nah, from a neighbor of mine. Her son Scott, who I consider a friend, has Williams. Which episode of House was this in? Did it have any more information? It's a subject I'm quite curious about.

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It's not really the opposite. People with Williams syndrome tend to be really friendly and talkative, but their social skills are very superficial. It is usually difficult for them to carry on a real conversation- they tend to exhibit "cocktail party speech" (like those with NLD) and don't understand social norms. They might walk up to people randomly and start a conversation, but then break it off randomly and go talk to someone else, or they may change topics randomly. So they don't actually have good social skills. They also often have the same problems with visual-spatial skills as people with NLD do.


Hmmm. Well, he was a lot more socially skilled than I was. I felt so comfortable talking to him. I wonder if that really is always true, the 'superficiality,' since I definitely felt an emotional connection.


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