Inside the Savant Mind: Tips for Thinking

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13 Jan 2009, 9:48 pm

You may never recite calculations like Rain Man, but you can still learn to improve cognitive performance with advice from this interview with a savant.


Daniel Tammet is the author of two books, Born on a Blue Day and Embracing the Wide Sky, which comes out this month. He’s also a linguist and holds the European record for reciting the first 22,514 decimal points of the mathematical constant Pi. Mind Matters editor Jonah Lehrer chats with Tammet about how his memory works, why the IQ test is overrated, and a possible explanation for extraordinary feats of creativity.

LEHRER: Your recent memoir, Born on a Blue Day, documented your life as an autistic savant. You describe, for example, how you are able to quickly learn new languages, and remember scenes from years earlier in cinematic detail. Are you ever surprised by your own abilities?

TAMMET: I have always thought of abstract information—numbers for example—in visual, dynamic form. Numbers assume complex, multi-dimensional shapes in my head that I manipulate to form the solution to sums, or compare when determining whether they are prime or not.

For languages, I do something similar in terms of thinking of words as belonging to clusters of meaning so that each piece of vocabulary makes sense according to its place in my mental architecture for that language. In this way I can easily discern relationships between words, which helps me to remember them.

In my mind, numbers and words are far more than squiggles of ink on a page. They have form, color, texture and so on. They come alive to me, which is why as a young child I thought of them as my “friends.” I think this is why my memory is very deep, because the information is not static. I say in my book that I do not crunch numbers (like a computer). Rather, I dance with them.

None of this is particularly surprising for me. I have always thought in this way so it seems entirely natural. What I do find surprising is that other people do not think in the same way. I find it hard to imagine a world where numbers and words are not how I experience them!

LEHRER: In Embracing the Wide Sky you criticize the IQ test as a vast oversimplification of intelligence. You write: "There is no such thing as proofs of intelligence, only intelligence." Could you explain what you mean by that?

TAMMET: When I was a child, my behavior was far from being what most people would label “intelligent.” It was often limited, repetitive and anti-social. I could not do many of the things that most people take for granted, such as looking someone in the eye or deciphering a person’s body language, and only acquired these skills with much effort over time. I also struggled to learn many of the techniques for spelling or doing sums taught in class because they did not match my own style of thinking.

I know from my own experience that there is much more to “intelligence” than an IQ number. In fact, I hesitate to believe that any system could really reflect the complexity and uniqueness of one person’s mind, or meaningfully describe the nature of his or her potential.

The bell curve distribution for IQ scores tells us that two thirds of the world’s population have an IQ somewhere between 85 and 115. This means that some four and a half billion people around the globe share just 31 numerical values (“He’s a 94,” “You’re a 110,” ”I’m a 103”), equivalent to 150 million people worldwide sharing the same IQ score. This sounds a lot to me like astrology, which lumps everyone into one of twelve signs of the zodiac.

Even if we cannot measure and assign precise values to it in any “scientific” way, I do very much think that “intelligence” exists and that it varies in the actions of each person. The concept is a useful and important one, for scientists and educators alike. My objection is to thinking that any ‘test’ of a person’s intelligence is up to the task. Rather we should focus on ensuring that the fundamentals (literacy, etc.) are well taught, and that each child’s diverse talents are encouraged and nourished.

LEHRER: You also describe some recent scientific studies on what happens inside the brain when we learn a second language. Do you think this recent research should change the way we teach languages?

TAMMET: Thanks to the advances in modern scanning technology we know more today than ever before just how what’s happening inside the brain when we’re learning a language. That we can speak at all is nothing less than an astonishing cognitive achievement.

Learning a second language, particularly when that language is not one that the person has to use on a regular basis, is an extremely difficult task. I think it is a mistake to underestimate the challenges of it. Students should be aware that the difficulties they will face are inherent in what they are doing, and not any failing on their part.

One of the most interesting scientific discoveries about how language works (and how it could be taught) is “phonaesthesia”—that certain sounds have a meaningful relationship to the things they describe. For example, in many languages the vowel sound “i” is associated with smallness—little, tiny, petit, niño, and so on—whereas the sound “a” or “o” is associated with largeness—grand, gross, gordo, etc. Such links have been found in many of the world’s languages. These findings strongly imply that learners would benefit from learning to draw on their own natural intuitions to help them understand and remember many of the foreign words that they come across.

Another finding, by cognitive psychologists Lera Boroditsky, Lauren A. Schmidt, and Webb Phillips, might also offer a useful insight into an important part of learning a second language. The researchers asked German and Spanish native speakers to think of adjectives to describe a range of objects, such as a key. The German speakers, for whom the word “key” is masculine, gave adjectives such as “hard,” “heavy,” “jagged,” and “metal,” whereas the Spanish speakers, for whom “key” is feminine, gave responses like : “golden,” “little,” ”lovely” and “shiny.” This result suggests that native speakers of languages that have gendered nouns remember the different categorization for each by attending to differing characteristics, depending on whether the noun is “male” or ”female.” It is plausible that second-language learners could learn to perceive various nouns in a similar way to help them remember the correct gender.

Regardless of how exactly a person learns a second language, we do know for sure that it is very good for your brain. There is good evidence that language learning helps individuals to abstract information, focus attention, and may even help ward off age-related declines in mental performance.

LEHRER: You advocate a theory of creativity defined by a cognitive property you call "hyper-connectivity." Could you explain?

TAMMET: I am unusually creative—from visualizing numerical landscapes composed of random strings of digits to the invention of my own words and concepts in numerous languages. Where does this creativity come from?

My brain has developed a little differently from most other people’s. Aside from my high-functioning autism, I also suffered from epileptic seizures as a young child. In my book, I propose a link between my brain’s functioning and my creative abilities based on the property of ‘hyper-connectivity’.

In most people, the brain’s major functions are performed separately and not allowed to interfere with one another. Scientists have found that in some brain disorders however, including autism and epilepsy, cross-communication can occur between normally distinct brain regions. My theory is that rare forms of creative imagination are the result of an extraordinary convergence of normally disconnected thoughts, memories, feelings and ideas. Indeed, such “hyper-connectivity” within the brain may well lie at the heart of all forms of exceptional creativity.

LEHRER: How were you able to recite from memory the first 22,514 numbers of Pi? And do you have advice for people looking to improve their own memory?

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13 Jan 2009, 10:53 pm

Wow, this is really fascinating stuff, Merle. Thanks for posting it.


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13 Jan 2009, 10:56 pm

my pleasure, neshamaruach. We are fascinating people, aren't we?

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13 Jan 2009, 11:08 pm

Definitely a good read. :)


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14 Jan 2009, 3:05 am

Thank you for sharing. Listening to Daniel recite the value of pi to the nth is truly rewarding. He's very special (and from what I've read/seen, he's a real sweetie too).

I love math too and this has deep resonance for me.


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14 Jan 2009, 3:37 am

Daniel Tammet is so inspiring. He makes me want to actually get out and do things with my brain, rather than just sitting with my own thoughts and doing nothing.



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14 Jan 2009, 1:34 pm

Very cool!

I have recently acquired a obsession with numbers actually so I'm working on doing something similar to what he does with numbers as I think in pictures and have good imagination (I spend hours in my room flapping my hands while dreaming up things and listening to music, basically I get lost in my own world) and I'm quite logical so it's working OK at the moment, I hightly doubt I'll get to savant level though.

I did memorised pi to 20 decimal places in 15 minutes today, though! :)



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14 Jan 2009, 2:10 pm

That was pleasant to read.



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14 Jan 2009, 2:21 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
my pleasure, neshamaruach. We are fascinating people, aren't we?


Yes, very much so. We just have to get the word out to more people. :wink:


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14 Jan 2009, 2:27 pm

DeLoreanDude wrote:
Very cool!

I have recently acquired a obsession with numbers actually so I'm working on doing something similar to what he does with numbers as I think in pictures and have good imagination (I spend hours in my room flapping my hands while dreaming up things and listening to music, basically I get lost in my own world) and I'm quite logical so it's working OK at the moment, I hightly doubt I'll get to savant level though.

I did memorised pi to 20 decimal places in 15 minutes today, though! :)


That's very cool. It's very interesting to me when people look at numbers with both intellectual and aesthetic interest. To me, they've always been these tiny little symbols I couldn't wait to get away from. (Did I mention that I failed calculus in college? I kept wanting them to explain all the steps for getting to each of the functions.)

But I like words. A lot.


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14 Jan 2009, 2:35 pm

neshamaruach wrote:
DeLoreanDude wrote:
Very cool!

I have recently acquired a obsession with numbers actually so I'm working on doing something similar to what he does with numbers as I think in pictures and have good imagination (I spend hours in my room flapping my hands while dreaming up things and listening to music, basically I get lost in my own world) and I'm quite logical so it's working OK at the moment, I hightly doubt I'll get to savant level though.

I did memorised pi to 20 decimal places in 15 minutes today, though! :)


That's very cool. It's very interesting to me when people look at numbers with both intellectual and aesthetic interest. To me, they've always been these tiny little symbols I couldn't wait to get away from. (Did I mention that I failed calculus in college? I kept wanting them to explain all the steps for getting to each of the functions.)

But I like words. A lot.
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i am with you on that one, nesh. numbers are not my thing. visuals, patterns, words (and the errors in my posts are not spelling errors - they are in fact typo's as i am bad with the keyboard. my fingers cannot keep up with my brain.)

i very much enjoy the bit in the article about the absurdity (not that he uses that terminology) and IQ. how can the type of brains we have be measured in such a simplistic and overall way? seems silly to me.



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14 Jan 2009, 4:28 pm

millie wrote:
i very much enjoy the bit in the article about the absurdity (not that he uses that terminology) and IQ. how can the type of brains we have be measured in such a simplistic and overall way? seems silly to me.


I liked that, too. It's nice to have a genius say that IQ tests are crap. When I say it, it seems like sour grapes. :wink:


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17 Jan 2009, 2:14 am

neshamaruach wrote:
millie wrote:
i very much enjoy the bit in the article about the absurdity (not that he uses that terminology) and IQ. how can the type of brains we have be measured in such a simplistic and overall way? seems silly to me.


I liked that, too. It's nice to have a genius say that IQ tests are crap. When I say it, it seems like sour grapes. :wink:


it's like going to college.I went and made straight A's, honor classes, I kept wondering 'where was the hard stuff, the difficult stuff? I sometimes feel I was sold a bill of goods that going to college was going to enrich more than my mind. I was told I would garentee making more money than if I didn't, but I am working a job that others didn't go to college to get, and lucky to get the job I have. Plus my credit is forever ruined by defaulting on my sudent loans. :roll:
so much for 'higher education'.
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17 Jan 2009, 2:47 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2 ... 7.weekend2
A Genius Explains

really good to read!



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17 Jan 2009, 3:16 pm

memory, when you want it to come out, it comes out most of the time it dont...but who is 'you' that separates you from the memory? if you think it deeply, its just like someone saying/picture it to 'you'..



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17 Jan 2009, 3:48 pm

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TAMMET: "Scientists have found that in some brain disorders however, including autism and epilepsy, cross-communication can occur between normally distinct brain regions. My theory is that rare forms of creative imagination are the result of an extraordinary convergence of normally disconnected thoughts, memories, feelings and ideas. Indeed, such “hyper-connectivity” within the brain may well lie at the heart of all forms of exceptional creativity."

I like this bit. :)

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