Is there a reasonably polite way of avoiding smalltalk?

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25 Nov 2008, 7:50 am

Maybe you could also just say (in a polite manner, of course): "Sorry, I'm not very good at smalltalk"? and just be honest?
I think we often guess that we have to hide that we are not good at it, and hence find a smart trick or way to avoid it. (I'm like that myself, because we have a very deep-rooted idea that it's rude to say so, even if we say it politely - as if smalltalk were kind of a "holy" pattern that must not be disturbed?)
But sometimes, to people who know I'm aspie, I say "sorry, but I'm not very good at that kind of talk today". And they respect it, and know that they're not supposed to take it personally.
But the most difficult is when people ask me (many) questions, I would prefer that they had something to tell themselves afterwards instead of keeping on asking questions (they don't wait for the answer anyway before they ask a new one...), but then I guess I have to crossexaminate them, and I'm not good at that either.



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25 Nov 2008, 2:39 pm

Small talk is one of the reasons I hate being in a group. If it's just me and one other person (depending on who they are), I can get comfortable and begin to discuss something with some depth. But if there are three or four people standing around, then that's too many people to "read", and I think I might be able to say such-and-such to person A, but I might offend or confuse person B. In other words, I feel much more like I have to be on guard and watch what I say. I've noticed that if I do talk in a group, I'm soon aware of all eyes on me, and they seem to be saying, "Yeah...well...where are you going with this?" And then when I'm done, there's that little silence, and then the conversation picks up at a different point.

Maybe that's the appeal of small talk. You can be gabbing away, feeling like you're making a connection with another human being, but you don't have to worry that you are going to offend them. I think small talk is often mostly people blindly agreeing with each other. You know, like:

"Hot enough for you?"
"Oh, isn't it, though? Unseasonably so! I thought it would be cool, so I wore a jacket."
"Oh, I know! Who knew it would get hotter in the afternoon? What happened to fall?"
"Oh, I know!"
"And so humid. How did it get so humid?"
"Oh I know! It's not the heat, it's the humidity. You really feel it."
"Oh, don't you, though? Isn't it humid? It's so humid! And hot."
"Oh, it IS hot!"
"My husband loves the heat."
"OMG!! !! !! !! Mine does too!! !! !!"
"OMG!! !! !! !! !! !!"

And if it's women (do men even have conversations like that?) the voices get higher pitched with each line, so before long, crystal glasses are breaking left and right.



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25 Nov 2008, 2:48 pm

elderwanda wrote:
Small talk is one of the reasons I hate being in a group. If it's just me and one other person (depending on who they are), I can get comfortable and begin to discuss something with some depth. But if there are three or four people standing around, then that's too many people to "read", and I think I might be able to say such-and-such to person A, but I might offend or confuse person B. In other words, I feel much more like I have to be on guard and watch what I say. I've noticed that if I do talk in a group, I'm soon aware of all eyes on me, and they seem to be saying, "Yeah...well...where are you going with this?" And then when I'm done, there's that little silence, and then the conversation picks up at a different point.

Maybe that's the appeal of small talk. You can be gabbing away, feeling like you're making a connection with another human being, but you don't have to worry that you are going to offend them. I think small talk is often mostly people blindly agreeing with each other. You know, like:

"Hot enough for you?"
"Oh, isn't it, though? Unseasonably so! I thought it would be cool, so I wore a jacket."
"Oh, I know! Who knew it would get hotter in the afternoon? What happened to fall?"
"Oh, I know!"
"And so humid. How did it get so humid?"
"Oh I know! It's not the heat, it's the humidity. You really feel it."
"Oh, don't you, though? Isn't it humid? It's so humid! And hot."
"Oh, it IS hot!"
"My husband loves the heat."
"OMG!! !! !! !! Mine does too!! !! !!"
"OMG!! !! !! !! !! !!"

And if it's women (do men even have conversations like that?) the voices get higher pitched with each line, so before long, crystal glasses are breaking left and right.

LOL that last line is so true! The excitement elevates every time its there turn to talk until they do something unexpected, lol. BTW, most men do have conversations like the one you posted (At least me and my friends do) but generally we dont show too much exclamation in our voices and its more in a dull tone generally because the conversation has no great emotion or interest unless were joking around or something.



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25 Nov 2008, 11:19 pm

Ways of avoiding small talk?before it starts?

There are a couple things I've found that work...

* when walking and don't want a conversation, get out your cell phone and keep checking it
occasionally.This cuts off eye contact in socially acceptable manner and says "I can't talk now.
I'm busy.

* lunch hour in the office, a crossword puzzle works wonders.Again, it signals to "average" person
please don't talk to me without actually saying "please don't' talk to me".Thus sparing them
hurt feelings and sparing yourself unwanted social contact w/o looking like a jerk.

* books,laptops,notebooks, and other objects perform similar functions



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26 Nov 2008, 12:28 am

I notice people stop talking to me after a few minutes, I assume it's because I suck at talking to them and they think I'm rude. Even when I'm actively trying to be nice and friendly (which doesn't happy too often, I must admit. Most of the time I'm interested even in the slightest, but sometimes I have good days.) I think I fail miserably, cause they stop talking to me after a minute or two.



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26 Nov 2008, 12:36 am

Dark_Red_Beloved wrote:
* when walking and don't want a conversation, get out your cell phone and keep checking it
occasionally.This cuts off eye contact in socially acceptable manner and says "I can't talk now.
I'm busy.

What I usually do is pretend to remember to contact somebody.
'Oh I just remembered I have to call my sister' or 'I'm waiting for a really important job interview' or 'I'm so nervous about getting my results back.'
Meanwhile, I'm really playing Sonic 2 on my mobile phone. :wink:



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26 Nov 2008, 12:55 am

missboots wrote:
I notice people stop talking to me after a few minutes, I assume it's because I suck at talking to them and they think I'm rude. Even when I'm actively trying to be nice and friendly (which doesn't happy too often, I must admit. Most of the time I'm interested even in the slightest, but sometimes I have good days.) I think I fail miserably, cause they stop talking to me after a minute or two.


That happens to you too?hmm,could be...

maybe another reason why that happens is because the way aspies respond doesn't show up on their social radar--thus making us(for intents and purposes) invisible.What do you think?



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26 Nov 2008, 1:33 am

Wow, I was having this exact problem this morning, with a guy who came to fix my window.



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26 Nov 2008, 3:39 pm

I avoid small talk by a) avoiding situations where I might be called upon to small talk, or b) if I can't avoid them, picking the least boring-seeming person in the group and starting a conversation with them about something that interests me, before I can be hijacked by a boring person. If I end up talking to a boring person, I do what elderwanda said - I agree with everything they say. Conversations peter out much faster if everybody is agreeing with one another than if they start debating opposing viewpoints.


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26 Nov 2008, 3:55 pm

Airborne wrote:
elderwanda wrote:
Small talk is one of the reasons I hate being in a group. If it's just me and one other person (depending on who they are), I can get comfortable and begin to discuss something with some depth. But if there are three or four people standing around, then that's too many people to "read", and I think I might be able to say such-and-such to person A, but I might offend or confuse person B. In other words, I feel much more like I have to be on guard and watch what I say. I've noticed that if I do talk in a group, I'm soon aware of all eyes on me, and they seem to be saying, "Yeah...well...where are you going with this?" And then when I'm done, there's that little silence, and then the conversation picks up at a different point.

Maybe that's the appeal of small talk. You can be gabbing away, feeling like you're making a connection with another human being, but you don't have to worry that you are going to offend them. I think small talk is often mostly people blindly agreeing with each other. You know, like:

"Hot enough for you?"
"Oh, isn't it, though? Unseasonably so! I thought it would be cool, so I wore a jacket."
"Oh, I know! Who knew it would get hotter in the afternoon? What happened to fall?"
"Oh, I know!"
"And so humid. How did it get so humid?"
"Oh I know! It's not the heat, it's the humidity. You really feel it."
"Oh, don't you, though? Isn't it humid? It's so humid! And hot."
"Oh, it IS hot!"
"My husband loves the heat."
"OMG!! !! !! !! Mine does too!! !! !!"
"OMG!! !! !! !! !! !!"

And if it's women (do men even have conversations like that?) the voices get higher pitched with each line, so before long, crystal glasses are breaking left and right.

LOL that last line is so true! The excitement elevates every time its there turn to talk until they do something unexpected, lol. BTW, most men do have conversations like the one you posted (At least me and my friends do) but generally we dont show too much exclamation in our voices and its more in a dull tone generally because the conversation has no great emotion or interest unless were joking around or something.

In my experience, the most common way for men to socialize, especially after they've had a few beers, is to tell bawdy jokes and laugh so loudly the ceiling starts to crumble.


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26 Nov 2008, 7:24 pm

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Seems like everyone I come across LOVES it (like my chiropractor and dentist). How do you guys get people to sort of f**k off and leave you alone? I usually fake a sore throat or headache or something.
If you are at the doctor or dentist you can always take a paperback with you and start reading it, lol. If people think you want to read, they might not be so quick to start a conversation because you "look busy".



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26 Nov 2008, 7:28 pm

Or......

A person can choose to view "small talk" as a skill set, like typing or driving a car, and develop that skill.
Instead of avoiding it (which is almost impossible to do ALL the time) work on perfecting it.
Dissect the components, analyze the timing of the exchange. All of it is quite fascinating.



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26 Nov 2008, 8:01 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
A person can choose to view "small talk" as a skill set, like typing or driving a car, and develop that skill.


Yes, but even so it is difficult.

I find the best thing that works for me is to have a few cute things to say about my current special interest(s). Like I just discovered ITunesU where they have lectures from great universities all over the world for free download. You can find Math lectures from MIT, philosophy talks from Oxford, etc, in ITunesU.

If you talk about your special interest, you naturally become animated and lively. The thing to do there is to prepare in advance a few shortie things to say about your current special interest and keep it in your pocket, like "Have you seen ITunesU? I just discovered it a month ago..." and then prepare in advance to have a couple of short, blurby things to say if someone asks you follow up questiosn, like about what lectures you are planning to listen to in or was there lecture you liked.

If I prepare a few short, focused blurbs (as if I were writing a few 30-second commercials) on my current special interest, that is a good strategy that works for me. Because you light up when you talk about your special interest, others should respond well, so long as you are careful not to run on too long or in detail and to listen to their feedback comments on what you said.