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23 Dec 2008, 12:15 pm

At first i was on seroquel but I gained lots of weight with seroquel. I was switched to geodon because of my weight gain on seroquel, they said that geodon is not so bad on the gaining weight part. Between the seroquel and the geodon I gained 87 pounds. I take lots of medications for my aspergers. I take 60 mg of stratera, 54 mg of concerta, 120mg of cymbalta, 240 mg of geodon. I am also diabetic, and I also cant seem to lose the weight. For some reason my body wont lose the weight, even though I exercise. I tried to get off the geodon but it did not work, I got worser. I even tried cutting back to 80 mg of geodon, but i had too many side effects. Right now I am taking the full 240 mg of geodon. I find life pretty hard without the geodon for some reason.


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10 Oct 2010, 7:35 pm

Xanax 0.5 mg for anxiety 3 times daily as needed, risperadal 1 mg 4 times a day
, trazodone 100 mg before bedtime , Doxepin sinequan 150 mg before bedtime and 400 mg of neurontin, cogentin .5 mg 2times a day
I am on all that . Seroquel and geodon does not work anymore. I get immune to certain medications. I am scared it wont work and i might not survive it, if i cant take it no more. Well anyway got to go.


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Xanax 0.5 mg for anxiety 3 times daily as needed, risperadal 1 mg 4 times a day
, trazodone 100 mg before bedtime , Doxepin sinequan 150 mg before bedtime and 400 mg of neurontin, cogentin .5 mg 2times a day
I am on all that . Seroquel and geodon does not work anymore. I get immune to certain medications. I am scared it wont work and i might not survive it, if i cant take it no more. Well anyway got to go.


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10 Oct 2010, 8:19 pm

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I can't find the thread, but recently there was a thread on here about Geodon, and somebody said that Geodon could cause PERMANENT massive weight gain. I have always been fat, but under Geodon and its sister drug Risperdal I ballooned to 300 pounds (5'8" white male) and I can't seem to lose any of it. I am still just under 300 pounds. I briefly lost 20 pds, but it came right back. Did I f*ck myself permanently by taking this stuff? I'm pre-diabetic, and my grandfather died a horrible death due to diabetes. I'm only 34.

You really need to see a physician about all this. This is a serious medical matter and is way over internet commandos' heads.


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10 Oct 2010, 8:55 pm

Well you know just about all the antipsychotics willl make you gain more weight. That is the side effect it has. If one needs the antipsychotic, that one needs to deal with it, since he or she needs it to function. Believe me it is permanent. I have had experience, with risperadal, seroquel , and geodon .


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15 Nov 2010, 3:17 pm

stupid, thoughtless, stimulation seeking, chemical lobotomy with no pleasure from thought.

Very heavily marketed, lots of law suits, serious issues with life expectancy. Lots of lawsuits surround them.

Serious homoeostasis problems, including draw out psychosis like rebound that's often treated as psychosis or insurmountable less hospitalization in some of the people I've known who've tried the stuff.


DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE EVER TRYING THE STUFF, ESP PATIENT REPORTS.

est only 1-10% of side effects know - reported.

Can include drug addiction (very common if not total in people I know who've been on them for any length of time)



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16 Nov 2010, 6:01 am

I take invega now. It is still making me gain weight I taie 12 mgs ., and weight gain is awefull, but i need to mediciations,without it i get too upset .


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16 Nov 2010, 7:08 am

KateSmith wrote:
I take invega now. It is still making me gain weight I taie 12 mgs ., and weight gain is awefull, but i need to mediciations,without it i get too upset .


I found I stopped getting upset, but because I didn't 'think' I wsa upset, the upset ness (anxiety) presented itself in various different ways (e.g. worse than opiate withdrawal, as emotions came out through pain, vomiting, bowel problems, ticks, urinating myself [urgent mitrification]), confusion etc... didn't start getting bad until a good while on the meds (like years) , eventually resulting in trauma, 3 months of silence, 2 years getting off the stuff.



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16 Nov 2010, 7:23 am

These drugs don't make fat out of air, it increases your appetite so you eat more. Your body gets used to eating that much so after the drug you might just keep it up, it's no harder to loss the weight at that point than it is for any other person. It's hard to lose weight in a world of high fat foods and little exercise. I've never seen a case that it wasn't a matter of more calories going in than exercised out.



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16 Nov 2010, 7:33 am

I was on low dose Geodon for 2 months. When you take Geodon you're supposed to have it with at least 500 calories so it will be released into your system properly. That could be it. I was told Geodon was "weight neutral". Anyway I got off because of tardive dyskinesia. My son gained a lot of weight on Risperdal and even more on Remeron. The Remeron didn't even help his anxiety.



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16 Nov 2010, 8:05 am

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These drugs don't make fat out of air, it increases your appetite so you eat more. Your body gets used to eating that much so after the drug you might just keep it up, it's no harder to loss the weight at that point than it is for any other person. It's hard to lose weight in a world of high fat foods and little exercise. I've never seen a case that it wasn't a matter of more calories going in than exercised out.


they also decrease metabolism.

Yes they do reduce your levels of pleasure from thought so you have to get it (addictive in many cases) from other sources, such as food, crack, opiates, drinking, 'socializing', driving fast etc....



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16 Nov 2010, 8:11 am

think of them as the opiates of thought, not just pain.

but with decreased levels of pleasure. (though cos you can't think, you don't notice so much).

typical homoeostatic tolerance appears for be around 2 years or less, at which people often end up progressively getting much worse than before they where on them (like opiates/ benzodiazipam etc...).

marketed very heavily, as a panacea (like opiates and mothers little helper)

negative trial results are kept as 'trade secrets'

I would say that something adaptive (like Cognitive behavioural therapy), not maladaptive (like taking a pill every day) are well known to be by far the best 'cure' in the sense that they help overcome problems, and also give you life skills for the future.



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16 Nov 2010, 7:30 pm

oliverthered wrote:
they also decrease metabolism.

Yes they do reduce your levels of pleasure from thought so you have to get it (addictive in many cases) from other sources, such as food, crack, opiates, drinking, 'socializing', driving fast etc....


I don't really know about decreased metabolism, but I do know the drugs are known to increase appetite, can't find anything other than people saying it increases metabolism. My daughter had an increased appetite on it and did gain a little, she's thin like me so it's not a real problem but we kept an eye on it.
You can blame metabolism for a little, but it always seems to come down to too much in and not enough exercise, a small increase in appetite will do you in with today's food.



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16 Nov 2010, 9:11 pm

Skinnyboy wrote:
oliverthered wrote:
they also decrease metabolism.

Yes they do reduce your levels of pleasure from thought so you have to get it (addictive in many cases) from other sources, such as food, crack, opiates, drinking, 'socializing', driving fast etc....


I don't really know about decreased metabolism, but I do know the drugs are known to increase appetite, can't find anything other than people saying it increases metabolism. My daughter had an increased appetite on it and did gain a little, she's thin like me so it's not a real problem but we kept an eye on it.
You can blame metabolism for a little, but it always seems to come down to too much in and not enough exercise, a small increase in appetite will do you in with today's food.


There sedative, [slow you down]
a really nasty side effect is something called metabolic syndrome.
also increases risk of diabetes.
"Increasing numbers of reports concerning diabetes, ketoacidosis, hyperglycaemia and lipid dysregulation in patients treated with second-generation (or atypical) antipsychotics have raised concerns about a possible association between these metabolic effects and treatment with these medications."



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16 Nov 2010, 9:15 pm

Skinnyboy wrote:
oliverthered wrote:
they also decrease metabolism.

Yes they do reduce your levels of pleasure from thought so you have to get it (addictive in many cases) from other sources, such as food, crack, opiates, drinking, 'socializing', driving fast etc....


I don't really know about decreased metabolism, but I do know the drugs are known to increase appetite, can't find anything other than people saying it increases metabolism. My daughter had an increased appetite on it and did gain a little, she's thin like me so it's not a real problem but we kept an eye on it.
You can blame metabolism for a little, but it always seems to come down to too much in and not enough exercise, a small increase in appetite will do you in with today's food.


The brain uses a hell of a lot of energy for starters, as does all the fidgeting and such. extended sleeping hours and being more dozy throughout the day etc... All the people I know who are one them [6-7] are lethargic, and the ones who are on and off (or now totally off) are much more active, thoughtful, slim, patient etc...



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16 Nov 2010, 9:27 pm

I'm not anti-drug by a long shot, I know they can help. Opiates, Benzos, sleepers, stimulants, hallucinogens [SSRIs for instance] all have their place.
Personally I think the ones people would pay good money for to some guy they don't know standing on a street corner is a better measure of positive effect than the marketing of drug companies [cartels] to drug pushers [doctors] , when negative results are not published and especially in the case of a-typical scientific evidence is weak at best. Patient reports look like a horror story.

Yeh a lobotomy will make you feel ok, in a kind of not feeling way.

I get depression, visual illusions and anxiety when I stop smoking, using titration to get off the smokes.

And although chemical augmentation can be useful and assistive, I strongly believe in more life long, cognitive approaches, unless there is absolutely no other choice in the mid to long term.

The Neurnberg code for instance says that it should be the patient that benefits, not for the benefit of society.