Overdosed on Heroin......

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Several months ago, I mentioned during a topic on bullying how one boy was truly hateful to me, with words said that still crush me inside.he was rotten to the core. Well, I just found out that he overdosed on heroin and died a few years ago. The way he went in life was so negative and mean-spirited, he surely did not care who he hurt or beat-up along the way, and I only feel bad for his mom and dad, who should have stepped in to tame this boy( NT).Is this karma?

His dogma defiantly bit his karma.

Yeppers, I think so , too.

This reminds me of something. Someone I knew growing up is a lot like the one you described and he is an alcoholic and battles substance abuse problems also. It begs the question...maybe people who are that mean feel horrible guilt and use substances to take the edge off the guilt.
They are really messed up inside and they know it and can't deal with themselves.

No, I don't interpret this to be "karma".
Stupidity? Yes.
Unfortunate? Yes.
Karma? No.
Not unless he killed someone else.

yes, I see your point, too. I had heard stories of him running over kittens with his lawn mower, what kind of monster is that? He was very nice-looking, had a nice home, siblings, he had it all, but was evil , sick,venom throughout. Why be so horrible, so hateful? I just don't get it, with society sometimes..no sir, I just don't get people...............

I think it's a matter of perspective and how you see karma.

If he was cruel to a LOT of people, I think eventually it could add up to his own death. For example, punching someone doesn't warrant death, but punching 10000 people might.

Also, I don't believe death is the worst punishment. I'm sure there are many people out in our world this very moment being physically and psychologically tortured that would gladly take death as a lesser punishment.

The guy I knew came from a troubled family where there was domestic violence. In my experience, it's usually the case. The meanest ones come from families that have a lot of violence in them and they go thru a lot at home.

But we all die- that doesn't make death a Karmic resolution.
I perceive Karma as something like divine retribution: An eye for an eye sort of thing.
A bully might receive his/her karmic "justice" by being bullied.
A reckless driver might be in a terrible car accident resulting from someone elses' reckless driving.
A thief might have their prized posessions stolen from them.
But a heroin overdose because of bullying? Nah.

There is no such thing as Karma. People who abuse others early in life tend to abuse themselves later in life - mainly because they've driven everybody else away.

Parents can only do so much. The boy treated himself the way he treated others. "Rotten To The Core" may be an apt description.

To you.
There is no such thing as karma to you.
I believe that life has a unique if ambiguous and unmeasurable way of leveling out the playing field.
Karma is the word that I think suits my definition best.
Therefore, there is such a thing as karma.
For me.

But I am curious about something.

Do people actually do this, or just use it as a slander-branding hate rumor?

One of my best good friends ever, the one who understood me enough to help me learn social skills while understanding and using my own neologisms for observed social phenomena, had a completely unfounded reputation for mowing kittens. He was my roommate once, and he definitely obviously likes animals since his father and himself are both independently in different animal-related businesses such as dog breeding, dog training, dog boarding more humanely than kennels, and raising livestock. He also has cats.

edit:note that the original quoted statement has been removed from this thread.
edit2:oops I only thought it was.

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If you think of karma as the natural cause and effect of the world, the tendency for bad things to come back to seek you out, then yes, it exists. If you're talking about the religious view--well, that's not my religion, so obviously I think that doesn't exist. But the colloquial definition of karma... yeah, I've seen that.

You can hurt a lot of people in your life, do it over and over, and feel like you're on the top of the heap... but hurting people doesn't build up a foundation for later life. You don't learn how to live, how to cope with problems, how to understand yourself. Your first impulse is to blame other people and to get angry at others, and when that doesn't work, you've hit the extent of your coping skills... So you turn to drugs, you get depressed, you turn into a workaholic or get addicted to gambling or become a bitter old man in your teens and twenties...

I don't envy people like this. Taking out frustration on others, using others to feel good, can only go so far; and the only reason this wouldn't come back to you is either you saw the emptiness of it and learned how to really live; or else you died before it began to really hurt you.

Ya know, I am not sure, but I would truly believe it possible he was capable of doing that to cats..It is only what went around in school, and I didn't want to stick around to hear more.. He was rotten.rotten.Good riddance.

I hate to sound cruel, but I think it's great. All my life I've wished a similar fate on those who treated others in such a manner. My wife gets so mad at me when I wish death or evil doings on some people, but in my mind they deserve it. Perhaps I deserve it for having such hard feelings toward people, I don't know, but I just feel that sometimes things have a way of correcting themselves naturally.

I know some of the girls who bullied me don't have very good lives now, but, the damage they did was so deep and long lasting (though I doubt they even remember me) that their possible suffering is little consolation.

Some people dig their own graves.