We do not know anything about this "cure"

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30 Nov 2008, 2:43 pm

I also found an article. And a post in a forum, that Aspies do not know anything about the cure. Telling people not to listen to us when it comes to the cure, here is why.

-Some aspies do not know what they are talking about.
-Adopting the opinions of others is a very common trait in Aspergers. Many have an inability to form their own opinions. This is why one opinion ends up eerily similar to the other.
-They have not been cured, so why are they making assumptions about it?
-A feeling of correctness is also a trait of Aspergers. They will not stop
-Many aspies take disagreement very personally.
-Many aspies have a habit of worrying. This thought of a cure distracts them from their daily habits.

This is why we should stop this anti-cure stuff, we do not know what this cure is.

Please note this is from an article I read. Not my personal opinion, although I do agree with this.



30 Nov 2008, 2:46 pm

This is what I think a cure is:



Cure=treatment




Too many of us take the word too literal and I have tried explaining they do not mean cure, they mean more treatment. Does anyone listen? No. :x



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30 Nov 2008, 2:48 pm

No wonder....They make a big deal about this cure....I begin to think this is a cure


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30 Nov 2008, 2:50 pm

when you get cured then please do tell us. until that happens it's just an opinion.


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30 Nov 2008, 2:53 pm

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-Adopting the opinions of others is a very common trait in Aspergers. Many have an inability to form their own opinions. This is why one opinion ends up eerily similar to the other.



Of course, that being a trait unique to ASD. Yep. Notice the sarcasm?

No, wait...

We're not supposed to be capable of sarcasm either. Silly old me.

BTW You say it's not your personal opinion yet you agree with it. What was point of typing that it isn't your personal opinion if you agree with it?



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30 Nov 2008, 2:54 pm

sounds like the usual dismissal claiming aspies can't understand anything over their label when that is false. Okay so even if it's been mentioned before there will be prenatal screening with no covering it up, oh because you have autism you weren't supposed to get it!



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30 Nov 2008, 3:03 pm

Inability to form our own opinions, huh? Wow... That is completely ridiculous. Have you SEEN the debates around here?

The problem of "cure", even though "cure" doesn't exist and probably won't, isn't literally the problem of being forced to take a theoretical NT pill, but the entire mindset of "cure autism".

This belief system includes concepts like, "Normal is fundamentally better." "Disability is bad, shameful, and to be erased at all costs." "If you are autistic, you are defective."

Those concepts hurt autistics because even though a cure doesn't exist, we are often treated by parents and professionals as though this theoretical, nonexistent cure were the goal. When the goal is to maximize normality, other things are often left in the dust. People whose parents want them above all to be normal will often end up losing the opportunity to use their strengths and fulfill their potential--and they may end up with psychological damage or even physical problems. They almost certainly won't be as functional as they could be, because they won't be allowed to do "odd" things that the autistic brain needs to do--stimming, special interests, privacy, non-verbal speech, etc.

When you tell somebody, "Who you are is unacceptable", they come to believe that their lives will never be good unless they get a cure. That the cure doesn't exist, and that it would change who they are if it did, makes it doubly insulting. The belief that people have to be perfect; that it's not OK to not be as good at something as other people, is extremely damaging--even to neurotypical people. When you have a disability, or are perceived as having one, it's even worse.


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30 Nov 2008, 3:09 pm

Callista wrote:
When you tell somebody, "Who you are is unacceptable", they come to believe that their lives will never be good unless they get a cure. That the cure doesn't exist, and that it would change who they are if it did, makes it doubly insulting. The belief that people have to be perfect; that it's not OK to not be as good at something as other people, is extremely damaging--even to neurotypical people. When you have a disability, or are perceived as having one, it's even worse.


Seconded.


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30 Nov 2008, 3:17 pm

lexis wrote:
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-Adopting the opinions of others is a very common trait in Aspergers. Many have an inability to form their own opinions. This is why one opinion ends up eerily similar to the other.



Of course, that being a trait unique to ASD. Yep. Notice the sarcasm?

No, wait...

We're not supposed to be capable of sarcasm either. Silly old me.

BTW You say it's not your personal opinion yet you agree with it. What was point of typing that it isn't your personal opinion if you agree with it?


THis was pasted from an article and this is something I aggre with. I said that already.


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30 Nov 2008, 3:26 pm

To everyone in general--
Don't let this get personal. Please. There will always be people who disagree...


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30 Nov 2008, 3:29 pm

Do you have a link to this article?

Magliabechi.



30 Nov 2008, 3:30 pm

My ex told me I couldn't form an opinion and my opinions came from other people. :roll:



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30 Nov 2008, 3:38 pm

Aren't most of our opinions that way, though? NT, or Aspie, either one...

When we're first exposed to an idea, we hear someone's opinion about it. Then we hear somebody else's opinion. Then we hear a third person's ideas, and so on. As we hear more opinions, we decide which one we agree with, or adopt elements of more than one, and modify them as we go along and learn more.

Oh, I've formed some completely original opinions--still derived from information I already knew, mind you, but opinions that nobody that I knew had held before me--but when I take a side on something, it makes sense to see what other people think, so you can find out what you agree with about any particular viewpoint before you form your own!

I know some Aspies are naive enough to be manipulated into an opinion, but the worst case I've seen so far of such a "gullible" type will still change her opinion if she believes that she was mistaken before. That only happens some of the time when I explain things to her, which shows that even in the case of someone who buys into every conspiracy theory that comes along, her opinions are still her own, however easily she is influenced. (She is someone I know in real life, and does not belong to this forum and none of you know her, in case anybody is wondering.) We disagree about a lot of things--if she were incapable of forming her own opinions, I could have persuaded her to agree with me; but however much I try, I can't! And this is the most gullible Aspie I know, mind you.


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30 Nov 2008, 3:41 pm

Naturally, WhyAmIAspie.

But I find that 'Many have an inability to form their own opinions' makes no sense at all- given the variety of opinions regarding this issue, most of 'us' would be quite overwhelmed.

The people I first associated with strongly wanted to cure their children, to the point of harming them if need be. I didn't take their opinion. I have formed my own unique opinion that reflects neither extremity.



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30 Nov 2008, 4:14 pm

lexis wrote:
Naturally, WhyAmIAspie.

But I find that 'Many have an inability to form their own opinions' makes no sense at all- given the variety of opinions regarding this issue, most of 'us' would be quite overwhelmed.

The people I first associated with strongly wanted to cure their children, to the point of harming them if need be. I didn't take their opinion. I have formed my own unique opinion that reflects neither extremity.

They do not. I have seen every aspie say the same thing. So many adopt the opinions of others without thinking about it. I do not see an aspie say yes to the cure.


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30 Nov 2008, 4:19 pm

I have plenty of times. Also, a person can reach the same conlusion through a variety of reasons- have you ever asked them why they do not want a cure?

Besides, try asking the nt population why they disagree with certain things that go against their norms and values or why they have an opinion that they share with a majority. Chances are they won't have thought about it.