when did u realize u were never going to add up to anything?

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25 Nov 2008, 6:18 am

On February 31st, 3000.


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25 Nov 2008, 8:08 am

I've got a problem when people say "the world doesn't accept me", or "people will never acknowledge me". I don't know why they should. Do you accept everybody? Do you acknowledge everybody? I mean, do you know the strives of other people? Nobody knows anything about anybody because nobody cares about the rest of the world. The world is not one thing, is comprised of over 6 billion individuals who each live in their own little, selfish, limited, mediocre worlds and who think that the rest are crap.
I don't want to be accepted or acknowledged by the world, why for? What will that bring me that's good?
We live isolated. I know how the saying goes: No man is an island. But I think we are islands. We don't come to this earth to create everlasting bonds and accumulate things. I think we come to learn and that's a lonely and personal experience.
I don't think we should prove ourselves to anybody. Prove what? That you fit the stereotype of succesfull person? That you are normal? That you can achieve what everybody else is trying so desperately to achieve? That you can be a winner? I don't know what's that, money? fame? I don't want that. I want to know. I want to learn. To understand. To know and understand through experience. When you do everthing is different.
People say you are a loser? Probably you are a loser to them. So what? They in turn probably are losers to others.
Opinions are like butts: Everybody's got one and everybody thinks that the other's stinks.
I saw that in a movie and it's true.


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25 Nov 2008, 11:35 am

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This is my favorite thread of all time on Wrong Planet.


Two or three years ago... I'm still working on this feeling... :oops:


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25 Nov 2008, 11:52 am

Positing positives topic

We are all more than the "sum" of our parts.

To all WPers: Never define yourselves as worthless, and be open to life's challenges. :D


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25 Nov 2008, 2:22 pm

Cordelia18 wrote:
Opinions are like butts: Everybody's got one and everybody thinks that the other's stinks.
I saw that in a movie and it's true.


that's a good quote, it's a bit banal and would make a good bottom line in a signature. :lol:



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26 Nov 2008, 9:57 pm

I am probably just your average working Joe. I do have a technological edge however, which I attribute to my Aspieness, so I can tend to get office type jobs rather easily.

However, as somebody on the spectrum I've found some scenarios that I attribute to where I'm at today.

1) I realize I like the jobs most with the least amount of talking or speaking to people. If I can just go do my eight hours and pretty much be left alone, I'm happiest.
2) I've found that I get bored easily; especially at jobs where its the same thing day in and out. I do crave some stimulation in a workplace, but I also like some of the routines.
3) Holding down two jobs is near impossible for somebody on the spectrum. It pretty much burned me out having to deal with people all day long, pretending to get along with NT's and their methods of doing things. I will never work two jobs again.



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27 Nov 2008, 10:16 am

shadowmeld wrote:
I am probably just your average working Joe. I do have a technological edge however, which I attribute to my Aspieness, so I can tend to get office type jobs rather easily.

However, as somebody on the spectrum I've found some scenarios that I attribute to where I'm at today.

1) I realize I like the jobs most with the least amount of talking or speaking to people. If I can just go do my eight hours and pretty much be left alone, I'm happiest.
2) I've found that I get bored easily; especially at jobs where its the same thing day in and out. I do crave some stimulation in a workplace, but I also like some of the routines.
3) Holding down two jobs is near impossible for somebody on the spectrum. It pretty much burned me out having to deal with people all day long, pretending to get along with NT's and their methods of doing things. I will never work two jobs again.


Here the same, specially about number 2! This year I quit my other job because I was getting so anxious and tired of everything. Now I'm OK.


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29 Nov 2008, 9:24 am

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And why, pray tell, does a life fraught with anxiety and depression make you a loser? I can't grasp why some people feel like they're losers... I can't get my head around that kind of feeling.


Definitions.

Anxiety equates to pain, and pain can equate to "losing". Hence, being born with a neurotype that predisposes you to high levels of anxiety makes you a loser compared to those who don't.

If you have my neurotype, you started the race a lot later and a lot further back than the others who're running the same one. So, I, or you have to run further just to reach the same level, but due to innate differences, we may not be able to run any further than our peers, as they may just have the same strengths that we do, but they lack the weaknesses that we the outliers have.

Of course, this "loss" doesn't equate to someone being less of a human.


And it's also not strictly true. I did start blooming a lot later than my peers, that much is true, but they don't have my vocabulary, music, and political awareness that I have.

I mean I'm sure there's loads of artists who have felt like losers or the like perhaps, but said artists may have become very accomplished in their field of strength.

That said, why must people view the world in this unforgiving point of view? Set your mind to something, and you can achieve it.

I still don't think a life fraught with anxiety and depression means losing though. I mean how dare those as*holes make people feel like that about themselves.

This is why I'm glad I'm out of education. I now have more space to achieve what I set my mind to.


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29 Nov 2008, 9:32 am

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Oh, to have reached the point of death only to have discovered one has never lived at all...


That is beautiful. I wish this website let one give "+" to a good post.



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29 Nov 2008, 9:33 am

Mw99 wrote:
when did u realize u were never going to add up to anything?


:D It sounds funny when you put it like that!

Probably a couple of years ago, but I might just be a late bloomer (I hope!! !).

Nevermind.

You have to keep struggling though - I'd rather not end up living on the streets!



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29 Nov 2008, 9:34 am

Since everyone expects me to be negative all the time, I will then. Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb.



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29 Nov 2008, 9:45 am

donhz wrote:
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I'm still convinced that I will do awesome things. In fact, I'm always doing awesome things. The trouble is in finishing something and then finding someone who cares.


Yes, exactly. Aspies are good people capable of wonderful things. Sadly, the world lacks perception about what we do, but we cannot be responsible for that.


One of the survival purposes of social skills is to get the group to recognize & reward your contributions. Without social skills, one becomes invisible in the achievement and status department. Then notion that people have to perform well to succeed is a fallacy of partial thinking.

If you have good social skills, performing well is only occasionally necessary for success; the rest of the time you can be coasting and just convincing others you are valuable. If you don't have good social skills, performing well all the time is only occasionally enough to get by.



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29 Nov 2008, 9:59 am

JWRed wrote:
This is my favorite thread of all time on Wrong Planet.


Unbelievable, isn't it? I'm floored and overcome with a feeling of humility at all the wisdom and most of all at the dignity of the simple and clear statements on this thread. With each entry I revisit my own experiences, over and over.



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29 Nov 2008, 10:08 am

At 18. When I finished my high-school and realized I have nothing - no friends, no ambitions, no dreams, no hopes... No place to go. I can only sit now, sit locked in my room; looking through the window - and wondering...Wondering about the sense of human existance.

So many people out there, who die in accidents or from unhealable diseases... And all of them praised their lifes so much... All of them prayed for another chance...

To me life is nothing - I hate the life. Yet I'm still here. Isn't that ironic?



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29 Nov 2008, 10:19 am

ReGiFroFoLa wrote:
To me life is nothing - I hate the life. Yet I'm still here. Isn't that ironic?

Not really, it's just the normal, natural self-preservation instinct.



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29 Nov 2008, 10:44 am

I was about... 11 or 12. It was a combination of things, really.

I saw that there was this very linear path that I was supposed to take through school, to the workforce, etc.

I saw that I was not going to be able to follow that path, because just doing school at that age was completely wearing me down and overloading me.

I saw people who looked or sounded 'familiar' to me, and then realized they were all either homeless or being led around in lines by caregivers. I also noticed that when people either mocked me, or simply imitated me (like some people would do with no malice, just repeating what I sounded/looked like for descriptive purposes) it contained traits that were in line with people who were not usually able to stay on that path I envisioned either.

And I had trouble imagining myself among any of the adults that were actually doing things I wanted to do. It was one of those things (like a whole lot of the world) that sounded like it would work in theory, but if I truly inserted myself into the equation, it did not work in a fairly spectacular way.

Fortunately I was wrong. Both about what "adding up to anything" meant, and about how I'd end up as an adult. But I certainly believed I'd "realized" this, pretty early. And it was reinforced by a lot of people the more I failed at that weird path that people were supposed to be on. (But other people seemed to notice how impossible that was, far later than I did, because I threw everything I could into doing what I was "supposed" to do, hoping somehow it'd turn out okay, and then it didn't.)


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