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2ukenkerl
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03 Dec 2008, 6:12 pm

THINK ABOUT IT! SO many here claim that outcasts are more tolerant of others. If that were true, then bullies, who are often not exactly popular, would then be more tolerant of others. That then gives you a paradox, as they are bullies because they are LESS tolerant.

Oh well, another myth shot down!

HECK, Many homosexuals now look down at, and try to insult, straight people. That is especially interesting, since they really DO need some straight people to be freindly towards them so they can exist freely.



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03 Dec 2008, 6:15 pm

There's more than one way to deal with being an outcast.

You can become more sensitive to outcasts yourself.
You can become arrogant and insist that you are actually better than others.
You can try to make others feel inferior to you by mistreating them.
You can withdraw from the society that expelled you.
You can try to change the system.
You can disconnect your identity from their opinions, and go do your own thing.
You can form or join an outcast subculture into which you fit.

Helping others who are also outcasts is one way to deal with the problem. It's one of the healthier ways. But it's not universal.


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03 Dec 2008, 6:17 pm

bullies are always popular, or at least respected, as they use fear to control people...x



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03 Dec 2008, 6:17 pm

Callista wrote:
You can become more sensitive to outcasts yourself.
You can become arrogant and insist that you are actually better than others.
You can try to make others feel inferior to you by mistreating them.
You can withdraw from the society that expelled you.
You can try to change the system.
You can disconnect your identity from their opinions, and go do your own thing.
You can form or join an outcast subculture into which you fit.


tried all of them, by the way XD



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03 Dec 2008, 6:19 pm

None of the bullies I have known were outcasts. Most of them had a crowd of buddies that helped them. I'm sure they were wusses without their friends there.


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03 Dec 2008, 6:19 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
HECK, Many homosexuals now look down at, and try to insult, straight people. That is especially interesting, since they really DO need some straight people to be freindly towards them so they can exist freely.


:roll: Oh where to begin...
It is a broad-sweeping statement, but SOME gays do insult SOME str8s for their lack of tolerance, understanding or out-right hate. We call them breeders.
Second, gays do not "need" str8s to do anything but leave well enough alone. But because enough str8s can't leave well enough alone, gays in fact DO NOT live as freely as their hetero-counterparts.

As for the ealier portion of your post, No, bully's are not more tolerant- or they wouldn't be bully's, would they?



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03 Dec 2008, 6:20 pm

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bullies are always popular, or at least respected, as they use fear to control people...x


Not true- I knew a number of bullies in HS (a verrrrrry long time ago) that were not considered "popular".



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03 Dec 2008, 6:21 pm

Yeah, "bullies are more tolerant" was sarcasm.


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03 Dec 2008, 6:22 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
then bullies, who are often not exactly popular,


Are you sure of that? My impression is that bulling is a "band" behaviour - that is, individuals who are nice alone, behave as bullies when they are in group (then, bullies are not outcasts, at least, when they are bullies).



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03 Dec 2008, 6:23 pm

I've seen it either way--gangs or single offenders, popular or not... I think bullies are pretty diverse; even their motivations aren't all the same, though I guess most of it has something to do with "I feel bad and want to make myself feel superior to someone else".


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03 Dec 2008, 6:24 pm

Sometimes bullies only become bullies in groups to impress their friends. This can make them more popular. A bully who bullies the wrong person can lose status for doing so. The popular bullies are the ones who know who they can bully and keep or gain status.



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03 Dec 2008, 6:37 pm

Alot of bullies have been victims of abuse themselves at some point in their lives. Like the old adage 'the abused often becomes the abuser'. They might see traits of themselves in their victim, percieve those traits as a weakness, sparking off feelings of self-hatred, which results in the abuse of the other person as an outlet for their own poor self-esteem.

On the subject of bullies being outcasts. Mine were not. Most of them were the most popular in their class. Of course some of them were trying to impress the ringleaders, but none of them had to much bother finding and keeping friends who were seen as cool. :?



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03 Dec 2008, 6:45 pm

Xanderbeanz wrote:
bullies are always popular, or at least respected, as they use fear to control people...x


Fear and respect are DIFFERENT! If I found a person I respected, that was in trouble, I would try to help them out. If it were one I feared, I would never think of helping them.



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03 Dec 2008, 6:50 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
HECK, Many homosexuals now look down at, and try to insult, straight people. That is especially interesting, since they really DO need some straight people to be freindly towards them so they can exist freely.


:roll: Oh where to begin...
It is a broad-sweeping statement, but SOME gays do insult SOME str8s for their lack of tolerance, understanding or out-right hate. We call them breeders.
Second, gays do not "need" str8s to do anything but leave well enough alone. But because enough str8s can't leave well enough alone, gays in fact DO NOT live as freely as their hetero-counterparts.

As for the ealier portion of your post, No, bully's are not more tolerant- or they wouldn't be bully's, would they?


Actually, homosexuals have FAR more freedom than they once did. Do you REALLY think all the politicians, police, etc... are homosexual? That would kind of shoot down every argument you guys have, huh? To say otherwise supports mine!



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03 Dec 2008, 6:51 pm

nothingunusual wrote:
Alot of bullies have been victims of abuse themselves at some point in their lives. Like the old adage 'the abused often becomes the abuser'. They might see traits of themselves in their victim, percieve those traits as a weakness, sparking off feelings of self-hatred, which results in the abuse of the other person as an outlet for their own poor self-esteem.

:?


That's so true in some cases. They learn it at home and they act that way at school. Sometimes they grow up with a prejiduce. The entire family are prejiduced against members of a certain group and they teach the kids who learn it that way.
Othertimes the parents themselves are huge bullies who relentlessly bully the kids and no one cares. I saw a lot of that growing up and I didn't understand why grown ups acted that way and justified it, like it was perfectly alright. I always thought there was something seriously flawed about that particular groupthink.



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03 Dec 2008, 6:55 pm

TPE2 wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
then bullies, who are often not exactly popular,


Are you sure of that? My impression is that bulling is a "band" behaviour - that is, individuals who are nice alone, behave as bullies when they are in group (then, bullies are not outcasts, at least, when they are bullies).


Yeah, it is generally either a solitary, or small(comparatively) group. Look at all the gangs! They are outcasts that group together to hurt OTHERS.