Intentional Action and Asperger's Syndrome:

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05 Dec 2008, 12:18 am

This very short "test" was interesting to me. I immediately gave the "Aspie" answer, and when I saw what the NT answer would be, I was completely puzzled. I have looked at it over and over again and cannot answer it any other way.

Take a look: http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/e ... r-syndrome

Please just read from the top down... no peeking at the two different answers :)



05 Dec 2008, 12:36 am

I don't think he got the commemorative cup intentionally but he did pay one dollar more intentionally.


EDIT: Hey I got the answer right. But what I don't get is, Someone told this person she want a burrito but she wants everything on it except sour cream. I knew what she meant but she didn't get what she wanted. She didn't get jalapeños, and hot salsa either. Man what do people not understand about "I want everything except sour cream." :roll:
I guess that is my AS there, failing to understand the person's perspective of the sentence who didn't take it literal. I do get mad when people don't take me literal. I told my boyfriend I was staying in Montana and I will be home Wednesday or Thursday (or did I say Friday) and he asks what day will I be home. I already told him. :roll: So I told him "I said Wednesday or Thursday, what do you not understand?" Then he got what I meant.



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05 Dec 2008, 12:54 am

Sorry, I can't see how paying the extra dollar could be intentional.


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05 Dec 2008, 12:55 am

Yes, I got the Aspie answer too.

I think his only intent was the get the biggest smoothie available. But who has a smoothie when they are dehydrated? I'd go with water.



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05 Dec 2008, 1:06 am

...I thought he got the cup intentionally. If you cut the crap, the exchange went

'The biggest smoothie comes in a commemorative cup.'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

and the other one went

'The biggest smoothie costs an extra dollar'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

Of course he got the cup on purpose and of course he paid the money on purpose. If he didn't want to pay he could have gotten something smaller and if he didn't want the cup he would have said so. But if you say he didn't get the cup on purpose, you should say he also didn't pay the money on purpose, because the reasoning that leads to each conclusion is identical.



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05 Dec 2008, 1:09 am

I think it depends on what is meant by "intentionally". I answered both with "no", because to me, his only intention was to get the biggest drink possible. The type of cup and the price of the drink were not an issue. I fail to see how avoiding or not avoiding getting stuck with some hideous cup is any different than avoiding or not-avoiding paying an extra dollar.


I wonder, is getting the commemorative cup meant to be seen as desirable, while paying the extra dollar is meant to be seen as undesirable? Is that where the difference lies? I'm still not getting it.

And there I was, feeling all fraudulent about feeling like I might be an aspie, because I don't flap my hands and laugh loudly at jokes I don't get.

BTW, my husband, who is an NT, aspie-like engineer, has just spent the past ten minutes analyzing this whole thing and explaining the reasoning behind his answer (the nt answer), until I had to shout, "Okay!! !!" So, now I understand the reasoning behind the nt answer, after my husband's long-winded, unsolicited lecture. :roll: :lol: I'm standing by mine, though.



05 Dec 2008, 1:13 am

iceb wrote:
Sorry, I can't see how paying the extra dollar could be intentional.


Because if he didn't want to pay an extra dollar, he would have just walked out the door, not buying a smoothie because he didn't like the change in price. But because he knew they cost a dollar more because he was informed by the cashier, so therefore he chose to pay an extra dollar. Get it?



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05 Dec 2008, 1:54 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
iceb wrote:
Sorry, I can't see how paying the extra dollar could be intentional.


Because if he didn't want to pay an extra dollar, he would have just walked out the door, not buying a smoothie because he didn't like the change in price. But because he knew they cost a dollar more because he was informed by the cashier, so therefore he chose to pay an extra dollar. Get it?


Same with the cup. He could have chosen to not get it. It's not a difficult choice, but if you take it like that, he was intending to get the cup when he ordered the smoothie at the end, whereas he wasn't when he first for the drink. Same with the money.



05 Dec 2008, 1:59 am

AliasPseudonym wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
iceb wrote:
Sorry, I can't see how paying the extra dollar could be intentional.


Because if he didn't want to pay an extra dollar, he would have just walked out the door, not buying a smoothie because he didn't like the change in price. But because he knew they cost a dollar more because he was informed by the cashier, so therefore he chose to pay an extra dollar. Get it?


Same with the cup. He could have chosen to not get it. It's not a difficult choice, but if you take it like that, he was intending to get the cup when he ordered the smoothie at the end, whereas he wasn't when he first for the drink. Same with the money.



I get it now. He said he didn't care for the cup and he never asked for it, but he got it anyway. So therefore he didn't get it on purpose. That was my point of view. I saw the money totally different. If the cashier didn't tell him it cost a dollar more now but he got the smoothie anyway, my answer would have been different.



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05 Dec 2008, 2:01 am

I have a bad habit I learnt when i was a kid and i dont do no more except sometimes when i have been drinking.
It's like i dont think I just do it and cause i ask in such a sweet way it always works.



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05 Dec 2008, 2:03 am

If I thought there was a reasonable change that the cashier wouldn't give him the cup, I would have changed my answer, but I don't think there was, and I do think he expected to get the cup when he said he didn't care about it (don't care for it would have meant he didn't want it.)



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05 Dec 2008, 2:47 am

AliasPseudonym wrote:
...I thought he got the cup intentionally. If you cut the crap, the exchange went

'The biggest smoothie comes in a commemorative cup.'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

and the other one went

'The biggest smoothie costs an extra dollar'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

Of course he got the cup on purpose and of course he paid the money on purpose. If he didn't want to pay he could have gotten something smaller and if he didn't want the cup he would have said so. But if you say he didn't get the cup on purpose, you should say he also didn't pay the money on purpose, because the reasoning that leads to each conclusion is identical.

thats what I thought


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05 Dec 2008, 3:39 am

That... confused me. I knew what I was supposed to answer for the second one, but it didn't feel right. The premise was the same as the first one, so I don't really understand why the intention would be different. Both things (the cup and the extra dollar) were superflous details that he didn't care about. So why would the answer be different?


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05 Dec 2008, 3:45 am

Wasn't his only intention to get the large smoothie, irrespective of getting a cup or paying extra. :?


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05 Dec 2008, 3:51 am

Tails wrote:
That... confused me. I knew what I was supposed to answer for the second one, but it didn't feel right. The premise was the same as the first one, so I don't really understand why the intention would be different. Both things (the cup and the extra dollar) were superflous details that he didn't care about. So why would the answer be different?



He didn't want the cup but got it anyway because the cashier served it to him in that cup.

The cashier informed the guy the smoothie's cost a dollar more, he chose to buy the smoothie so therefore he paid an extra dollar on purpose. If he didn't want to pay an extra dollar, he would not have gotten the smoothie. I don't see how people can accidentally spend some extra money on something. I am sure they would hear the price as they are paying for it.



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05 Dec 2008, 3:55 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Tails wrote:
That... confused me. I knew what I was supposed to answer for the second one, but it didn't feel right. The premise was the same as the first one, so I don't really understand why the intention would be different. Both things (the cup and the extra dollar) were superflous details that he didn't care about. So why would the answer be different?



He didn't want the cup but got it anyway because the cashier served it to him in that cup.

The cashier informed the guy the smoothie's cost a dollar more, he chose to buy the smoothie so therefore he paid an extra dollar on purpose. If he didn't want to pay an extra dollar, he would not have gotten the smoothie. I don't see how people can accidentally spend some extra money on something. I am sure they would hear the price as they are paying for it.


But then surely he was as aware that he'd get the drink in a special cup as he was that he'd have to pay the extra dollar? How could he do one intentionally and not the other? Either way, the additional things were not of consequence to him. He didn't get the drink FOR the cup or FOR the extra charge he'd have to pay (who would CHOOSE to pay more?), therefore his only intention was to get the biggest drink either way, no?


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