Animals Rights Group sets back Autism Research in Italy

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25 Apr 2013, 9:28 pm

From http://www.nature.com/news/animal-rights-activists-wreak-havoc-in-milan-laboratory-1.12847:

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Activists occupied an animal facility at the University of Milan, Italy, at the weekend, releasing mice and rabbits and mixing up cage labels to confuse experimental protocols. Researchers at the university say that it will take years to recover their work.

Many of the animals at the facility are genetic models for psychiatric disorders such as autism and schizophrenia.

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Some of the mice they removed were delicate mutants and immunosuppressed ‘nude’ mice, which die very quickly outside controlled environments.

In addition to mixing up animals and cage labels to ensure that ongoing experiments would be ruined, the activists also took the names of the experimenters from the cage labels, some of which they later published on their Facebook page.

The university is now calculating the damages and deciding what charges it will press, according to Guidobono-Cavalchini.

Michela Matteoli, a neurobiologist who works on autism and other disorders and lost most of her own research in the attack, says that she found some research students crying in the disrupted facility on Monday morning.

“It will take three people at least a year to build up the colonies we had of mouse models of different psychiatric diseases,” she says.



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25 Apr 2013, 9:32 pm

I'd rather they pay *me* to be a test subject than abuse animals in my name.


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25 Apr 2013, 9:53 pm

hooray!



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25 Apr 2013, 10:06 pm

I'm not in favor of animal research like that, but I don't support that kind of activism.

Breaking into a research facility and screwing everything up doesn't help the animals in that research facility... and it does nothing to help change the minds of those who believe in the continuation of such research.

Personally, I think that to change the way things are done in research is going to take respectful dialogue about ethics and the creation of viable alternatives to animal testing.


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25 Apr 2013, 10:08 pm

No problem. It's perfectly ethical to experiment on autistic kids, right?



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25 Apr 2013, 10:09 pm

If that was my research and I had years invested in it, I would likely flip.


They should serve prison time or pay a fine just like anyone else...

It's not acceptable to walk in and ruin someone's career just because you can't handle your emotions.



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25 Apr 2013, 10:16 pm

Ca2MgFe5Si8O22OH2 wrote:
I'd rather they pay *me* to be a test subject than abuse animals in my name.


They're going to be injecting things into your brain./ Name your price. :lol:



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25 Apr 2013, 10:20 pm

Ca2MgFe5Si8O22OH2 wrote:
I'd rather they pay *me* to be a test subject than abuse animals in my name.


Fortunately, that is a minority opinion. The human lives and misery that animal testing has saved us from is enormous.



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25 Apr 2013, 10:52 pm

I think these activists need to really live their philosophy. No using any medicine that was ever tested on animals during it's development. No having any medical procedures done that were ever tested on animals. No taking advantage of any benefits or knowledge gained from animal testing. I doubt seriously that they would ever go that far though and would probably justify it with "that testing happened so long ago that my suffering won't bring them back". While that's a very true statement, I think that before they put their noses in other people's business they need to suffer through some things themselves without using any treatment or medication that some poor little rat died for 50 years ago.

While I think that it's completely unnecessary to do things like spray perfume or hair spray in a bunny's eyes to see if it's irritating, I think that it may be necessary to do it to be able to know how to treat a child who accidentally gets it in their eyes. How many of these activists would willingly let their own child suffer rather than have animal testing done to find cures and treatments?

As for using humans, well that's done. It's called clinical trials. Before they get to that stage though they have to conduct certain tests to find what is even safe to begin with.

If someone is so against animal testing that they want to ruin research that could save lives or increase the quality of life, they need to start at home and do without everything that we have that used animal testing in any form.


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25 Apr 2013, 11:10 pm

The animal-right group released animals into the wild - animals that could not possibly survive in the wild - because they believe that the freedom of those animals was more important than their lives ... ?

Quegli stupidi, idioti ignoranti!

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25 Apr 2013, 11:20 pm

Nonperson wrote:
No problem. It's perfectly ethical to experiment on autistic kids, right?


They already do that.

Clinical trials aside, whether or not other types of human experiments with autistic children were ethical would depend on the nature of the experiment, and on whether or not the kid's participation was voluntary -- not all experimentation is the sort where you're subject to invasive testing or dissection, or where stuff is injected into your brain or you're pumped full of drugs....some of it is behavioral or involves things like measuring salivary cortisol levels when kids (or better yet, adults who can provide full informed consent) are exposed to different sensory stimuli. Not all of it is unethical.

Anyways, I have no idea what sort of viable alternatives there are for much of the medical research that's done with animals because I'm not an expert in any field of medicine, biology, or law -- I just know that there are people who are trying to develop alternatives. I couldn't remember where I had read about this so I googled it and the Center for Alternatives to Animal Testing at Johns Hopkins University came up on the first page.


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26 Apr 2013, 9:29 am

Two groups I don't support fighting it out with each other.

I'm fine with some animal research, but I'm not fine with autism research.



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26 Apr 2013, 9:39 am

Ettina wrote:
Two groups I don't support fighting it out with each other.

I'm fine with some animal research, but I'm not fine with autism research.


Why not?

You don't want to know the causes?

You don't want to find out how many of the cases might be avoided?

You don't want to to find better ways of dealing with it?

As far as I'm concerned, the more we know about it, the better.



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26 Apr 2013, 11:01 am

Quote from the Nature news article:

"Michela Matteoli, a neurobiologist who works on autism and other disorders and lost most of her own research in the attack, says that she found some research students crying in the disrupted facility on Monday morning.

It will take three people at least a year to build up the colonies we had of mouse models of different psychiatric diseases,” she says."


Hmm... So now they need to conduct experiments on *even more* mice and rabbits due to the contamination of the research protocols...

... Fail much, animal rights activists?



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26 Apr 2013, 11:54 am

eric76 wrote:
From http://www.nature.com/news/animal-rights-activists-wreak-havoc-in-milan-laboratory-1.12847:
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Activists occupied an animal facility at the University of Milan, Italy, at the weekend, releasing mice and rabbits and mixing up cage labels to confuse experimental protocols. Researchers at the university say that it will take years to recover their work.

Many of the animals at the facility are genetic models for psychiatric disorders such as autism and schizophrenia.

...

Some of the mice they removed were delicate mutants and immunosuppressed ‘nude’ mice, which die very quickly outside controlled environments.

In addition to mixing up animals and cage labels to ensure that ongoing experiments would be ruined, the activists also took the names of the experimenters from the cage labels, some of which they later published on their Facebook page.

The university is now calculating the damages and deciding what charges it will press, according to Guidobono-Cavalchini.

Michela Matteoli, a neurobiologist who works on autism and other disorders and lost most of her own research in the attack, says that she found some research students crying in the disrupted facility on Monday morning.

“It will take three people at least a year to build up the colonies we had of mouse models of different psychiatric diseases,” she says.


Utter morons. I don't like animal cruelty or making them suffer, but who is saying that (apart from being kept in unnatural environments such as cages) these animals were mistreated? If they are injuring them or causing them pain that is awful, but they were bred into captivity so never knew any difference environment-wise. I'm not advocating animal experiments, it's a difficult area I know, but these idiots have not addressed the issue in the right way. There are cures we have today because of animal experiments. The damage caused has a knock on effect in quite a few areas I would imagine. Publishing the scientist's names on FB is stupid and dangerous. Their families could also be targeted and other people with similar or the same names who had nothing to do with it. Often people like this are trouble makers and will find a cause to attach themselves to just to be able to inflict this type of damage and idiocy on others, not because they truly believe in that cause. And they've caused the death of the immuno-suppressed mice by their actions which is a contradiction to their supposed aims.


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26 Apr 2013, 12:05 pm

Animals ARE NOT good models for human neurological/psychological conditions and when we condone animal abuse(and these animals are abused) then that says something very horrifying about us. We are better than allowing animals to suffer so I praise the activists but hope that they were cognizant of the animals' special needs.
Again, NEVER allow innocent creatures to suffer. If you want to volunteer to be a research subject then that is your choice-these animals had no choice and were condemned to a life of pain and suffering for no valid scientific purpose.