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26 Jan 2009, 12:31 pm

Okay, I know face blindness isn't one of the AS diagnostic criteria, but I have read (on this site, in many books, etc) that face blindness is a major autistic trait, that lots of people on the spectrum have it. This is honestly one area where I can say I do not fit the mold. In fact, I am the opposite of face blind, meaning I always remember faces before anything else about a person. I don't notice eyes, never have, just features of a person's face overall and my mind puts it all together. Over the years my wife has also noticed that I am far better than the average person at recognizing faces. Anyway, since face blindness is mentioned so often when discussing the spectrum, I had to ask if anyone else is like me and has the exact opposite of face blindness. I may not remember who a person is or where I know them from, but I almost never forget a face.



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26 Jan 2009, 12:36 pm

My brother's an artist, and is naturally visual. When the kid from across the street whom we hadn't seen in years became a film star, my brother recognized him from his teeth. As far as I recall, he had teeth, but that's all I could say. I was astonished at how much my brother could remember about what someone else can look like. I guess it's just something some people have a knack for.

My brother isn't autistic, but still. It's possible the visual artists here are also good at remembering visual details like he is.



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26 Jan 2009, 12:45 pm

I thought face blindness was supposed to be about not reacting to subtle facial expressions - more so than not identifying people by their face. I know I have much more problems remembering names than faces.



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26 Jan 2009, 12:47 pm

Anemone wrote:
My brother's an artist, and is naturally visual. When the kid from across the street whom we hadn't seen in years became a film star, my brother recognized him from his teeth. As far as I recall, he had teeth, but that's all I could say. I was astonished at how much my brother could remember about what someone else can look like. I guess it's just something some people have a knack for.

My brother isn't autistic, but still. It's possible the visual artists here are also good at remembering visual details like he is.


Perhaps that explains it, as I am a very visual person. Of course I'm not confirmed on the spectrum either. That will depend on what my psychologist says and how my appointment next Wednesday goes. But I am a artsy person, a photographer and home designer, have always been into architecture and art. So your post really makes me think that this may be the reason why I am so good with faces.



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26 Jan 2009, 12:49 pm

marshall wrote:
I thought face blindness was supposed to be about not reacting to subtle facial expressions - more so than not identifying people by their face. I know I have much more problems remembering names than faces.


So perhaps I am taking the LITERAL meaning of the term face blindness when it really means something else? Subtle facial expressions I had assumed were tied in with Theory of Mind, which I thought was different from face blindness. But then again I am a very easily confused person, but I read so much about this "face blindness" and thought, "I know I don't have this."



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26 Jan 2009, 12:54 pm

sbcmetroguy wrote:
marshall wrote:
I thought face blindness was supposed to be about not reacting to subtle facial expressions - more so than not identifying people by their face. I know I have much more problems remembering names than faces.


So perhaps I am taking the LITERAL meaning of the term face blindness when it really means something else? Subtle facial expressions I had assumed were tied in with Theory of Mind, which I thought was different from face blindness. But then again I am a very easily confused person, but I read so much about this "face blindness" and thought, "I know I don't have this."


http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.11/blind.html

This is a good article from wired about face blindness.



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26 Jan 2009, 1:01 pm

sbcmetroguy wrote:
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I thought face blindness was supposed to be about not reacting to subtle facial expressions - more so than not identifying people by their face. I know I have much more problems remembering names than faces.


So perhaps I am taking the LITERAL meaning of the term face blindness when it really means something else? Subtle facial expressions I had assumed were tied in with Theory of Mind, which I thought was different from face blindness. But then again I am a very easily confused person, but I read so much about this "face blindness" and thought, "I know I don't have this."


Maybe you're correct and I'm wrong. I haven't read much about it, just seen it mentioned here.

It would seem though that in the severe case of face blindness one would not only fail to identify people by face but would also fail to notice subtle expressions. I just assumed they were connected - that not being able to differentiate subtle expressions was a mild form while not identifying faces at all was the extreme.

I'm not sure I have either symptom though.



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26 Jan 2009, 1:04 pm

Once I get a good look at a face I almost never forget it. I see people who were in pre school with me, and despite the years I can still remember the face, but only the face. When I watch tele, my brother who finds this ability of mines rather funny always asks me, who is that actor or actress? If I saw a movie or sitcom or anything that featured them I would remember.



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26 Jan 2009, 1:10 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
Once I get a good look at a face I almost never forget it. I see people who were in pre school with me, and despite the years I can still remember the face, but only the face. When I watch tele, my brother who finds this ability of mines rather funny always asks me, who is that actor or actress? If I saw a movie or sitcom or anything that featured them I would remember.


I am just like this. If I see a face I never forget it. But I may not always know who the face belongs to, only that I have seen it before. In fact I wasn't very familiar with Brad Pitt, so after I saw the movie The Curious Case of Benjamin Button my wife and her father were talking about how good Brad Pitt's acting was and my response to them was, "that was Brad Pitt?" I knew I recognized the face but had no idea it was Brad Pitt.



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26 Jan 2009, 1:17 pm

sbcmetroguy wrote:
i_wanna_blue wrote:
Once I get a good look at a face I almost never forget it. I see people who were in pre school with me, and despite the years I can still remember the face, but only the face. When I watch tele, my brother who finds this ability of mines rather funny always asks me, who is that actor or actress? If I saw a movie or sitcom or anything that featured them I would remember.


I am just like this. If I see a face I never forget it. But I may not always know who the face belongs to, only that I have seen it before. In fact I wasn't very familiar with Brad Pitt, so after I saw the movie The Curious Case of Benjamin Button my wife and her father were talking about how good Brad Pitt's acting was and my response to them was, "that was Brad Pitt?" I knew I recognized the face but had no idea it was Brad Pitt.


Yes, I'm the same. I almost never know the actors/actress name. I will just reply : He/she acted in this movie or this programme. Because me and my bro watch the same stuff on tv he will be then recollect the memory of seeing that person. I wish I could get a job identifying folks faces. :lol:



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26 Jan 2009, 1:36 pm

I concider myself for somewhere in between. I admit I have problems with faces. Worst thing happened to me in this matter, was to recognice someone I didn't know. To make it simple; I was walking in the city, when I suddenly saw a familiar person emerge on a bicycle. I stepped out in the street, waving and shouthing his name and just got an odd stare back. It was off cause wrong person. When thinking about it afterwards, the person I thought I saw, wouldn't ride a bicycle in the city. That's when I started to be careful to what I thought my eyes saw.
It was kind of weird, cause I really thought I saw the right person.
I have not related that story to anything, before I came across WP. I just thought the mind was playing a trick on me.


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26 Jan 2009, 1:48 pm

I'm with you on this one OP, I have a somehow freakishly good memory for faces. I remember people I met or even glanced at years ago and I recognise them when I see them.


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26 Jan 2009, 3:18 pm

mosez wrote:
I concider myself for somewhere in between. I admit I have problems with faces. Worst thing happened to me in this matter, was to recognice someone I didn't know. To make it simple; I was walking in the city, when I suddenly saw a familiar person emerge on a bicycle. I stepped out in the street, waving and shouthing his name and just got an odd stare back. It was off cause wrong person. When thinking about it afterwards, the person I thought I saw, wouldn't ride a bicycle in the city. That's when I started to be careful to what I thought my eyes saw.
It was kind of weird, cause I really thought I saw the right person.
I have not related that story to anything, before I came across WP. I just thought the mind was playing a trick on me.

I've had that kind of thing happen to me too. I'm still much better with faces than names though.

Strangely I also once had an NT come up to me on the street thinking they knew me when they didn't. I think the person was drunk though.



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26 Jan 2009, 3:26 pm

marshall wrote:
I've had that kind of thing happen to me too. I'm still much better with faces than names though.

Strangely I also once had an NT come up to me on the street thinking they knew me when they didn't. I think the person was drunk though.


A couple weeks ago I was in a car accident. When I went to the other guy's insurance company to tell them what happened, two of the women in there asked if I had ever been in there before (which I hadn't) because they were both so sure they knew my face. I said I have no idea what the hell they were talking about, I didn't know either of them (because I rarely ever forget a face!) and I had never been inside that building before... ever.



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26 Jan 2009, 3:49 pm

i never never ever ever forget a face. it is heightened visual acuity. never. i can see a face and then rmemebr the context where i saw it last - the georgraphic surroundings and context of the last sighting of the person.

i do not do so well in terms of reading facial expressions when people are talking at the same time. it actually creeps me out and i get nauseous. i get very confused there.

but remembering faces? on that one i get 100%. i kid you not. it is spooky.



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26 Jan 2009, 3:56 pm

Face blindness is probably second only to lack of empathy that almost all professionals misunderstand and so mischaracterize in the trade journals and various 'studies'.
I do and I don't have so-called 'face blindness' depending on how many views, from various angles I get to have of any particular person as I store my mental images in small component parts and not whole images as many regular people do.
If I've never seen you in profile but only face on, I won't recognize you if I see you side-on. On the otherhand if you rob a bank and wear a bandana I will recoginize your eyes. I think it is all realtive and I do think that many so-called 'normal' people also have this particular trait.


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