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07 Feb 2009, 8:46 pm

Do you ever feel like you are interupting the way the world is supposed to flow into the future by making decisions, and that you would be better off observing the world from a distance than affecting the way the future will unfold? I sometimes feel like my actions have a huge impact on the future, and by making one choice instead of another, it is like I am playing god with what threads I weave into the fabric of time, and forever change how this world will turn out, compared to how the fabric is supposed to be sewn. Fortunatly I don't care enough to try to lessen the impact of my thread, because regardless, my thread will have the same impact as everyone else's does. Instead of wanting to remove my thread from existence like some would when they come to this realization, I seek to make my thread weave into the fabric in such a way that it will lessen the negative impact on the future.



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07 Feb 2009, 8:50 pm

that's possible. Sometimes I realize I haven't changed the world, but only people around me.



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07 Feb 2009, 9:32 pm

No, for me it is the other way around as my decisions change the quantum fabric of the universe and I think it is the same for everybody. People imagining that they are separate from reality is an illusion.


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07 Feb 2009, 9:37 pm

I have never thought of it that way before, besides wasting water and not recycling properly. But it's very interesting.



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07 Feb 2009, 9:46 pm

Pensieve I really enjoy your posts because you are so serious and well meaning about almost everything. I imagine that the world would be a much different and not as good of a place if you weren't a part of it so I think your quanta are well atuned to reality even if you missed one or two recycling days.


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07 Feb 2009, 9:49 pm

garyww wrote:
Pensieve I really enjoy your posts because you are so serious and well meaning about almost everything. I imagine that the world would be a much different and not as good of a place if you weren't a part of it so I think your quanta are well atuned to reality even if you missed one or two recycling days.


Although you put it in a really awkward way, I completely agree.



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07 Feb 2009, 10:10 pm

One time many, many years ago, in the eighties or nineties, I read a book by M. Scott Peck...called 'People of the Lie'.....suddenly while reading that book I realized HOW POWERFUL human beings are....and they don't realize the power of their actions, which includes small decisions/acts we make. It was like an aha experience when I realized the immensity of power that we don't consciously recognize as power.....and yet it is.



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07 Feb 2009, 10:16 pm

Sola wrote:
One time many, many years ago, in the eighties or nineties, I read a book by M. Scott Peck...called 'People of the Lie'.....suddenly while reading that book I realized HOW POWERFUL human beings are....and they don't realize the power of their actions, which includes small decisions/acts we make. It was like an aha experience when I realized the immensity of power that we don't consciously recognize as power.....and yet it is.


Think about chaos theory, and more specificly, the butterfly effect, not the movie, but the idea within chaos theory. The butterfly effect states that a butterfly flapping its wings in one area could create the shift in wind turbulance in the air to make the difference between a tornado touching down and never happening. As long as conscousness exists, those sentient beings are changing the world from its set course constantly.



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07 Feb 2009, 10:27 pm

Yeah, thats the way it's supposed to be unless some idiots f**k it up.


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07 Feb 2009, 10:58 pm

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Sola wrote:
One time many, many years ago, in the eighties or nineties, I read a book by M. Scott Peck...called 'People of the Lie'.....suddenly while reading that book I realized HOW POWERFUL human beings are....and they don't realize the power of their actions, which includes small decisions/acts we make. It was like an aha experience when I realized the immensity of power that we don't consciously recognize as power.....and yet it is.


Think about chaos theory, and more specificly, the butterfly effect, not the movie, but the idea within chaos theory. The butterfly effect states that a butterfly flapping its wings in one area could create the shift in wind turbulance in the air to make the difference between a tornado touching down and never happening. As long as conscousness exists, those sentient beings are changing the world from its set course constantly.


Padium, it is also called spiritual accountability. Hopefully one get an inlking of it on the life journey......
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08 Feb 2009, 1:32 am

nah. the universe has 4 dimensions that we can directly experience, three of space and one of time. within those 4 dimensions it's completely static. the three dimensions of space are always and completely in front and behind you in time, the 4th dimension, at all times. just like what is directly to the right or left of you right this moment is always and completely directly to the right or left of you in this moment, what is n units of time in front or behind you in time is always there, relative to the space in time from which it is observed. the future is one concrete thing when viewed from outside the 4 dimensional model we intuitively comprehend.

your weaving of threads analogy is similar to this, coming from the ancient greek/roman mythos of the Fates, who weave the threads of each of us into the tapestry of being. when viewed from outside of time, the fourth dimension, the tapestry is completely woven, and your thread has already formed it's pattern.

there's nothing to worry about - everything there is was and always will be.


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08 Feb 2009, 4:17 am

Padium, I have these thoughts too. I feel like I'm not supposed to influence events, as though I'm not a part of the world/universe. It influences my decision making, making me approach situations with great consideration to the point of being overly passive. I feel great responsibility. I'm aware on some level this is illusory.

My tendency is to consider decisions that will affect others, even when forced to act for my own good, from all possible angles and rehearse them in my mind before and after taking action. It's as though I'm not part of the overall system, especially the human one set up and designed with particular people in mind, and so I can cause damage simply by being me: by not fitting in. Chaos and the butterfly effect also come into consideration, because I can imagine many possible effects from a given cause.



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08 Feb 2009, 5:51 am

Yeah, I consider the greater scope. But I also think the world would be better off if more people had the backbone to actually DO things like I do, so I consider it to be for the good of the world that I affect it. And I know that sounds horribly conceited, but so many people let themselves get dragged down, and to see someone stand up for themselves is a rare thing.



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08 Feb 2009, 6:09 am

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Yeah, I consider the greater scope. But I also think the world would be better off if more people had the backbone to actually DO things like I do, so I consider it to be for the good of the world that I affect it.


Agreed. Moral courage is scarce. I end up having to take action for my own good (and sometimes the greater good), in spite of action going against my nature. I am told that others would have backed down and not bothered to fight for what they or others are entitled to. It seems paradoxical. This could be because the state described by the OP is more likely to give rise to moral courage (through having a considerate nature), or they could simply be unrelated phenomena.



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08 Feb 2009, 7:30 am

I don't think I even understood that now.

So, no, I don't think like that, I think.

But then, I'm caged in the present and cannot effectively think about or plan for the future and I don't believe in chances either. I'm absolutely a person of the present and today. I wait for the future to become the present and then I'll

I feel as if watching a stage. That's a part of my autism, I'm sure. But also a part of my opinion and world-view.

Instead of playing too much on the stage as I have learnt to do with due time, I rather watch. I won't think about what hasn't happened yet and I only jump into action when something happens right now - never to change the outcome of the scene or to influence the next scene.

That's just not what I do or believe in.

If I had a motto, it would go like this: What comes around, comes around. That's the joy (that I experience) in life.

Edit: I don't like making an impact. To be deeply involved in events, to share myself with even the smallest part of history... That truly scares me. Also both part of my autism and my way of seeing life as far as I am aware.

Am I somewhat close to what you meant (just the other way round)?


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