Person: Hi Me (at the same time): Hi, how are you?

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17 Feb 2009, 4:36 pm

So, I ran into a co-worker and this is how the conversation went.

Person: Hi Me (at the same time): Hi, how are you? Me (again): I'm fine, how are you?

(Notice, the person never even asked me how I was.)

I'm getting better but quite a few of my conversations are like this and I'm 27. People must have figured out that I'm weird by now and I haven't been diagnosed with Asperger's (and probably won't be able to for awhile) so I don't even have an excuse.

What can I do to have better conversations?

I know some of them wonder sometimes how I have a master's degree; it sucks having such a difficult time with small talk.



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17 Feb 2009, 7:21 pm

Just practice is all you can do mate.



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17 Feb 2009, 7:33 pm

I hate small talk, too. Also, when people ask how you are in greeting, most of the time, they don't really want to know how you are; it's just another way of saying hello.


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17 Feb 2009, 8:32 pm

i don't see the point in small talk you know the person that says how are you doesn't really care.



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17 Feb 2009, 8:50 pm

EarthAngel19 wrote:
So, I ran into a co-worker and this is how the conversation went.

Person: Hi Me (at the same time): Hi, how are you? Me (again): I'm fine, how are you?

(Notice, the person never even asked me how I was.)

I'm getting better but quite a few of my conversations are like this and I'm 27. People must have figured out that I'm weird by now and I haven't been diagnosed with Asperger's (and probably won't be able to for awhile) so I don't even have an excuse.

What can I do to have better conversations?

I know some of them wonder sometimes how I have a master's degree; it sucks having such a difficult time with small talk.


Ugh I do that kind of thing all the time, and I am around your age (I turn 29 in 2 weeks). I don't have a master's degree but I consider myself very intelligent, yet I still suck at small talk.



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17 Feb 2009, 8:50 pm

EarthAngel19 wrote:
So, I ran into a co-worker and this is how the conversation went.

Person: Hi Me (at the same time): Hi, how are you? Me (again): I'm fine, how are you?

(Notice, the person never even asked me how I was.)

I'm getting better but quite a few of my conversations are like this and I'm 27. People must have figured out that I'm weird by now and I haven't been diagnosed with Asperger's (and probably won't be able to for awhile) so I don't even have an excuse.

What can I do to have better conversations?

I know some of them wonder sometimes how I have a master's degree; it sucks having such a difficult time with small talk.


Ugh I do that kind of thing all the time, and I am around your age (I turn 29 in 2 weeks). I don't have a master's degree but I consider myself very intelligent, yet I still suck at small talk.



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18 Feb 2009, 2:54 am

Well, I can't help you with figuring out how to not say weird stuff or not respond to some internal scripted scenario that isn't actually taking place in real life, unfortunately. I have no idea how not to myself. I answer questions that were never asked, and ask questions that don't logically fit where I put them, and generally realize this only after what I've done is totally irreversible.

I have noticed, though, that your own reaction to your weird conversational faux pas really influences how other people react. If you don't act at all fazed by it and just keep on going, they often don't seem to notice as much. Or if you can express genuine amusement at your own weirdness (not just awkward "oh crap what did I just say... uuuhhh haha guys, aren't I dumb" kind of amusement) people also seem to go right along with your reaction to it. I suppose it's just some kind of confidence thing - most people seem wired to defer to the opinion of someone who seems more certain of themselves and never second guesses themselves, even when it's pretty obvious they ought to. Of course, I'm not suggesting that you try to become some kind of cocky "alpha" person (I doubt that's even physically possible for someone with AS traits). Just working on accepting that you do these things and that there's no good reason you should find them embarrassing seems to help quite a bit.

Of course, I could be completely delusional and imagining this effect... :D



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18 Feb 2009, 4:09 am

go_around wrote:
Well, I can't help you with figuring out how to not say weird stuff or not respond to some internal scripted scenario that isn't actually taking place in real life, unfortunately. I have no idea how not to myself. I answer questions that were never asked, and ask questions that don't logically fit where I put them, and generally realize this only after what I've done is totally irreversible.

I have noticed, though, that your own reaction to your weird conversational faux pas really influences how other people react. If you don't act at all fazed by it and just keep on going, they often don't seem to notice as much. Or if you can express genuine amusement at your own weirdness (not just awkward "oh crap what did I just say... uuuhhh haha guys, aren't I dumb" kind of amusement) people also seem to go right along with your reaction to it. I suppose it's just some kind of confidence thing - most people seem wired to defer to the opinion of someone who seems more certain of themselves and never second guesses themselves, even when it's pretty obvious they ought to. Of course, I'm not suggesting that you try to become some kind of cocky "alpha" person (I doubt that's even physically possible for someone with AS traits). Just working on accepting that you do these things and that there's no good reason you should find them embarrassing seems to help quite a bit.

Of course, I could be completely delusional and imagining this effect... :D


No, you're absolutely right. Its definitely a self-confidence thing, easier to pull off in a familiar environment. Seems to be a combination of humility and assuredness; confident in being able to laugh at yourself. Also remember that everybody, NT and ASD alike do stupid things and make mistakes in all sorts of ways - most people are less likely to draw attention to your flaws for fear you will draw attention to theirs.



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18 Feb 2009, 10:55 am

EarthAngel19 wrote:
(Notice, the person never even asked me how I was.)


It is weird and rude to answer questions no one has asked.

Especially not such questions as 'how are you doing'.

To answer this question before it is asked is a very rude reaction and signals that you

A) don't respect the other enough to wait for what they want to say and that

B) you are trying to impose yourself on the other person before the other has even signalled that it's okay (by asking you that question) and that

C) you might be trying to share personal information when that is uncalled for.

So just don't do it if you try to act friendly, really.


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18 Feb 2009, 12:27 pm

I can't say I haven't done the same exact thing hundreds of times at work. Someone says "Hi" to me and I'll reply back "I'm good" or "I'm okay," or simply "fine." Thinking they just asked me how I was.

I also have trouble with replying to "good morning." I keep reminding myself I'm supposed to just say "good morning" back to them, and look up and smile....seems simple, right?

But if I'm not focusing I might say something like" "it's not a good morning, it's 28 degrees outside, and sleeting. There was a huge clusterf*ck on Route 287 and now I'm late." Or I might say "okay" or "fine," thinking they just asked me how I was.

I was told today at work by a coworker I need to smile more, and not look at the floor so much when I walk. He said I always looked so "focused." I just told him that I was just a very a "focused" person, and he asked whay I was focusing on at the moment. Holding a bunch of regulatory lables and green dot stickers, I simply said...."stickers." He laughed, and though I was being funny....I wasn't.

I guess sometimes people think I'm rude. Some people think I'm a total moron, and some people think I'm funny. Really I just don't have a clue....



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18 Feb 2009, 12:30 pm

EarthAngel19 wrote:
So, I ran into a co-worker and this is how the conversation went.

Person: Hi Me (at the same time): Hi, how are you? Me (again): I'm fine, how are you?

I know some of them wonder sometimes how I have a master's degree; it sucks having such a difficult time with small talk.


i don't have a master's degree, but i don't get this conversation.. i mean, you both said 'hi me'-- so you both reversed your pronouns at the same time? that's pretty bizarre.



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18 Feb 2009, 5:07 pm

flurry wrote:
EarthAngel19 wrote:
So, I ran into a co-worker and this is how the conversation went.

Person: Hi Me (at the same time): Hi, how are you? Me (again): I'm fine, how are you?

I know some of them wonder sometimes how I have a master's degree; it sucks having such a difficult time with small talk.


i don't have a master's degree, but i don't get this conversation.. i mean, you both said 'hi me'-- so you both reversed your pronouns at the same time? that's pretty bizarre.


I probably didn't write the above dialogue just right. The person only said hi. The me part is just referring to what I said.