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19 Feb 2009, 2:54 pm

You may have noticed the black avatars appearing all over the internet to protest the Guilt Upon Accusation Law in the new NZ Copyright Act. Three Accusations of downloading or using copyrighted material and your internet access will be disconnected.

From @aspiegirl on Twitter:" Joined the #blackout campaign as my Autistic friends in NZ have already had their net suspended. With no warning or way to communicate!"

If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere...

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19 Feb 2009, 3:06 pm

ya i looked this and they are insane ......there will be service providers that provide anomity in future..and they get all clients :P


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19 Feb 2009, 3:51 pm

It's become a huge online debate. Twitter, Facebook it's gone totally meta. But this affects everyone.

Internet access is a basic human right for education, communication, and connection to a global community.


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19 Feb 2009, 3:55 pm

Using copyrighted material on ones site does not appear to be a human civil right.


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19 Feb 2009, 4:10 pm

Posting a blank avatar will have as much effect on the current situation as saying, "Have a nice day" alleviates clinical depression.



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19 Feb 2009, 4:41 pm

garyww wrote:
Using copyrighted material on ones site does not appear to be a human civil right.


It's about a Guilt Upon Accusation Law. No judge, trial or jury.


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19 Feb 2009, 4:46 pm

MsBehaviour wrote:
garyww wrote:
Using copyrighted material on ones site does not appear to be a human civil right.

It's about a Guilt Upon Accusation Law. No judge, trial or jury.

This principle is heavily abused in Family Courts here in the states. A woman need only accuse her (ex)husband of abuse, cruelty, drug addiction, or criminal behavior, and he's automatically considered guilty. Then he must prove his innocence in order to win favor with the court.

How can a person fight Guilt Upon Accusation, when there is no evidence to support either opposing claim?



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19 Feb 2009, 4:51 pm

Also for the record my friends are content producers & copyright holders themselves. Please don't let APRA & RIAANZ frame this as filesharing & piracy killing music issue. This campaign is from New Zealand artists who do not want this done in their name.

I do believe internet access is a human right and a judge would fine or send someone to jail before disconnecting the internet for any other 'crime' as it affects a whole family, library, school, business. Because under this law if you share your connection with a flatmate and they download something - you will be cut off with no way of disputing it in your own country.


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19 Feb 2009, 5:15 pm

They do this in the UK, too, but it dosent work well at all, I don't think any ISPs except Virgin even bother any more.



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19 Feb 2009, 5:53 pm

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They do this in the UK, too, but it dosent work well at all, I don't think any ISPs except Virgin even bother any more.


True. Those barstewards have also blocked Lime & Frost Wire P2P services here in the UK.

Now if I want a song and don't want to pay for it (which is usualy the case, as I only buy singles that I really like) I've got to go to Youtube and "cache & .flv" the video instead. Kind of makes me long for the days of taping songs off the radio...


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19 Feb 2009, 5:54 pm

DeLoreanDude wrote:
They do this in the UK, too, but it dosent work well at all, I don't think any ISPs except Virgin even bother any more.
virgin just havent got c'''' for while thats why its so grumpy company


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19 Feb 2009, 6:01 pm

NotRealBrianWilson wrote:
DeLoreanDude wrote:
They do this in the UK, too, but it dosent work well at all, I don't think any ISPs except Virgin even bother any more.


True. Those barstewards have also blocked Lime & Frost Wire P2P services here in the UK.

Now if I want a song and don't want to pay for it (which is usualy the case, as I only buy singles that I really like) I've got to go to Youtube and "cache & .flv" the video instead. Kind of makes me long for the days of taping songs off the radio...


Music is being taken off of YouTube a lot these days, too.

The best way to do it is to get songs of the artist's MySpace :wink:

I, of course, do not endorse piracy :P



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19 Feb 2009, 6:24 pm

Guilty until proven innocent is being slowly but steadily introduced into the New Zealand legal system via backdoor methods like this.

The legal device that allows the state to seize property (on conviction of certain offenses) unless one can prove they are not proceeds of crime is another example.

There is currently an attempt to allow police to forcibly take DNA samples from people merely arrested for certain crimes (ie not found guilty yet), and I've actually heard politicians (including the toe dabbling PM) imply that anyone arrested is guilty of a crime (by stating that those who wish to not be effected can simply avoid committing a crime) in relation to why this is justifiable.

I well recall the absolute inviolability of the undertaking that this forcible taking of DNA would never be extended to anyone not already convicted of a crime, as being the predominant justification for why any forcible taking of DNA samples was justified (when the police were pushing for that law change). That was only about a decade ago.

We also have issues with accusations against parents being acted on until parents can prove otherwise (in some cases, yet in others, overwhelming evidence is "glossed over", apparently depending on how "desirable" guardianship of the child is or the particular personal biases of the "social worker" involved).

Another example is that chap who was denied compensation this week after the murder conviction he spent 10 years in prison over was vacated. Having been proven "not proven guilty", he will receive no compensation on the basis that he is "probably guilty".

So much for innocent until proven otherwise.

Meanwhile, as a student at a New Zealand university, I was required to submit all essays to "Turnitin.com" who then use them for their own profit and subsequently reduce the profit making potential of the work. Apparently copyright protection in New Zealand is not about protecting the profit making potential of creators'/authors' of novel works, because my right to profit by preventing others profiting without paying me, and preventing loss of value accordingly, is clearly not protected.



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20 Feb 2009, 4:21 am

pandd wrote:
Guilty until proven innocent is being slowly but steadily introduced into the New Zealand legal system via backdoor methods like this.

The legal device that allows the state to seize property (on conviction of certain offenses) unless one can prove they are not proceeds of crime is another example.

There is currently an attempt to allow police to forcibly take DNA samples from people merely arrested for certain crimes (ie not found guilty yet), and I've actually heard politicians (including the toe dabbling PM) imply that anyone arrested is guilty of a crime (by stating that those who wish to not be effected can simply avoid committing a crime) in relation to why this is justifiable.

I well recall the absolute inviolability of the undertaking that this forcible taking of DNA would never be extended to anyone not already convicted of a crime, as being the predominant justification for why any forcible taking of DNA samples was justified (when the police were pushing for that law change). That was only about a decade ago.

We also have issues with accusations against parents being acted on until parents can prove otherwise (in some cases, yet in others, overwhelming evidence is "glossed over", apparently depending on how "desirable" guardianship of the child is or the particular personal biases of the "social worker" involved).

Another example is that chap who was denied compensation this week after the murder conviction he spent 10 years in prison over was vacated. Having been proven "not proven guilty", he will receive no compensation on the basis that he is "probably guilty".

So much for innocent until proven otherwise.

Meanwhile, as a student at a New Zealand university, I was required to submit all essays to "Turnitin.com" who then use them for their own profit and subsequently reduce the profit making potential of the work. Apparently copyright protection in New Zealand is not about protecting the profit making potential of creators'/authors' of novel works, because my right to profit by preventing others profiting without paying me, and preventing loss of value accordingly, is clearly not protected.


That's just mad! :evil:



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20 Feb 2009, 5:24 pm

I understand what you are protesting, and why you are protesting against it, and agree with you. But I think displaying an image of a URL in your avatar (like www.nzcopyright.com or something) would get noticed a bit more than just a black square - I'd have had no idea that your black avatar was significant if I hadn't read your post.



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20 Feb 2009, 6:27 pm

Done. The last day is on Monday 23rd and you can find out how to join in here: http://creativefreedom.org.nz/blackout.html


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